The death of knickers (I hope)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Really? I'm the WH on my crew and could never imagine acting as that much of a dictator in areas such as this. Matter of fact, the crew votes on what we wear every Friday night and I am merely the tiebreaker.

Our WH is not our crew chief and does not have that power either. We wear these pants all the time when we can. I hate white knickers as they are hard to keep clean and look silly in my opinion.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Our WH is not our crew chief and does not have that power either. We wear these pants all the time when we can. I hate white knickers as they are hard to keep clean and look silly in my opinion.

In reality, most WHs are the crew chiefs, I would guess. I know the occasional crew up here where another member is the listed crew chief, but I'm guessing it's less than 1-in-10.

I could try to be a dictator in this area, but what's the point? I try to assert what limited authority I have over areas that really matter.

Besides, my crew all loves the black pants, so we never really argue over this one thing anyway.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

In reality, most WHs are the crew chiefs, I would guess. I know the occasional crew up here where another member is the listed crew chief, but I'm guessing it's less than 1-in-10.

I could try to be a dictator in this area, but what's the point? I try to assert what limited authority I have over areas that really matter.

Besides, my crew all loves the black pants, so we never really argue over this one thing anyway.

Of course most are. That goes without saying. Funny I have never been on an actual crew where the WH is crew chief at the high school level. And even my current crew chief does not act like he is in charge. He only makes decisions when we cannot seriously agree and someone has to decide. But he gets out voted by many all the time (we joke about it) with uniform changes or when we wear them. Other than that this is a partnership and we all look at it that way. He just takes care of most of our administrative issues and we try to work together on everything else.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Of course most are. That goes without saying. Funny I have never been on an actual crew where the WH is crew chief at the high school level. And even my current crew chief does not act like he is in charge. He only makes decisions when we cannot seriously agree and someone has to decide. But he gets out voted by many all the time (we joke about it) with uniform changes or when we wear them. Other than that this is a partnership and we all look at it that way. He just takes care of most of our administrative issues and we try to work together on everything else.

Peace

Of course. If a CC acts like a dictator in our areas (where the crew self-forms) people would just join another crew. My crew has had the same five guys now for 6 straight years.

Week 1 this year will be the first time I will miss a game (I'm working a baseball tournament in Maine). Someone else will wear the white hat and life will go on.

[HLin NC]

Hochuli looks like he's tapered his pant cuffs a bit. He's allegedly always had his shirts tailored for the "gun show" but he might be tailoring the pants also.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Hochuli looks like he's tapered his pant cuffs a bit. He's allegedly always had his shirts tailored for the "gun show" but he might be tailoring the pants also.

Actually tapered cuffs make a lot of sense. Elastic bottoms (sweat pants) would also help putting one's heel through the bottom of the pants that ride down from all the running.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Actually tapered cuffs make a lot of sense. Elastic bottoms (sweat pants) would also help putting one's heel through the bottom of the pants that ride down from all the running.

Why? All you need to do is properly hem the pants and it is no different than basketball pants. Not much to be concerned with if you ask me.

Peace

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

In reality, most WHs are the crew chiefs, I would guess. I know the occasional crew up here where another member is the listed crew chief, but I'm guessing it's less than 1-in-10.

Our assn assigns crews for the season. Yet we are small enough that everyone knows the quirks of each of the WHs. We have one that refuses to wear jackets (long sleeves are ok). We have one that refuses to wear shorts. And we have some as others describe (whatever the guys want--and everyone owns--we are good). But in all case, the WH has the ultimate say.

In reality, what people wear comes down to what the assn mandates. And the assn only mandates nickers, short sleeves, and long sleeves (along with socks, shoes, hats etc). Heck, we don't even have blue bean bags, despite all the snow, since the board (state and local) can't agree on that. (And we all know that blue bean bags are only a problem in Boise, so I don't know why there is such opposition.)

[Texas Aggie]

We do need a lighter weight version of the pants. I'm not one to buy into the myth that dark colors are automatically hotter than lighter ones (dark colors absorb more LIGHT, not necessarily more HEAT; the material makes 99% of the difference), however the thick material Honigs black pants that I have would be pretty hot in August -- at least hotter than similar pants with a lighter weight material. Lighter weight white knickers usually meant the black stripes of the shirt showed, but with black pants, that's no longer a problem.

I HATE knickers. I don't think they look bad per se, but I hate wearing them. I also think this would steer most of us in the south toward shorts in early season subvarsity games.

Honigs already has the 2" shirts on their site, and you can have the shirt made with a letter already on the back -- no placard, its part of the shirt. How long before 2" comes to HS?

[Welpe]

Word on the street is that the Gerry Davis and Cliff Keen black pants are a lighter material than the Honigs. I wouldn't be surprised if Honigs is also developing a lighter weight version.

Aggie, how long before you think TASO will adopt the 2" stripes and black pants?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Word on the street is that the Gerry Davis and Cliff Keen black pants are a lighter material than the Honigs.

The Davis pants are considerably lighter. I could wear those in any weather -- they are truly like baseball or basketball pants.

Personally, I prefer them in cold weather, too. I'd rather put cold gear on under the pants then have the pants themselves be hot.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The Davis pants are considerably lighter. I could wear those in any weather -- they are truly like baseball or basketball pants.

Personally, I prefer them in cold weather, too. I'd rather put cold gear on under the pants then have the pants themselves be hot.

The Honigs pants are not any more heavy than the pants you wear during the baseball season and we certainly umpire is hotter weather at times than we ever will in most football games in this part of the country. Maybe the first week on an afternoon, but I do not work many football games in near 100 degree weather. That being said this is a college issue right now. I am not sure the high school associations are just going to drop knickers right now.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The Davis pants are considerably lighter. I could wear those in any weather -- they are truly like baseball or basketball pants.

Personally, I prefer them in cold weather, too. I'd rather put cold gear on under the pants then have the pants themselves be hot.

Agreed. layering is best. The Smitty slacks we purchased are no heavier than the Honigs basketball slacks I were.

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I thought white shorts were lacrosse. Isn't football all black shorts -- where they are worn?

No. In NC, we have the option of black or white shorts in subvarsity. In fact, black shorts were only allowed as an option two years ago.

[Texas Aggie]

could never imagine acting as that much of a dictator in areas such as this

I'm a benevolent dictator. I give them a vote and then overrule them accordingly!

Seriously, I do get input, but my guys expect me to lead, and I do just that. I have the reputation of going short sleeve on any game not played at the North Pole or in weather warmer than 0 deg. F! Sort of a long running joke, though not entirely undeserved.

Aggie, how long before you think TASO will adopt the 2" stripes and black pants?

Funny because I sent my chapter's VP this question just tonight. My guess is that next year, we'll be able to wear the pants whenever we want. Officially, we can wear them with long sleeves, but I think that will change. It won't be a mandate, but an option. As far as the 2", maybe 2 years. They look MUCH better with the black pants.

The other thing is that the pants will make the shorts a little more acceptable for subvarsity wear. The real problem with the shorts isn't because shorts look bad, but because too many guys wear the overfitted basketball shorts. If we can get them semi-uniform, you might even see them on Friday nights in early season.

[HLin NC]

How long before 2" comes to HS?

You guys in Texas might since you use NCAA rules but I've heard one of the things in the movement is to differentiate each level- the NFL has their thing (Can't wait to see what Nike designs them in 2012), college will migrate to the 2" stripe (Honig's has to get rid of all that backstock somehow) and us peons down at the HS level will keep what we have- 1".

I imagine college will also have a pant stripe somewhere between what the NFL has (4") and HS.

Can't remember where I heard or read all this but it was sometime last fall or late summer.