Loose ball plays and penalties..help :)

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Really easy. You have a snap (shotgun) then you have a run with the QB.

Or you have a pass thrown (loose ball play), then a run after the catch.

Or you have a run followed by a fumble (end of the related run), then you have another possession and the ball is recovered and returned.

Peace

I wrote the question backwards. How can you have a running play followed by a loose ball play?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Cobra

I wrote the question backwards. How can you have a running play followed by a loose ball play?

OK, I still answered your question.

A QB that takes the snap drops back to pass and then passes the ball. You have a running play that turns into a loose ball play. When the foul takes place is how you determine the basic spot.

Peace

[tow]

Aren't runs that precede the loose ball play considered part of loose ball play?
2-31-1d

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by tow

Aren't runs that precede the loose ball play considered part of loose ball play?
2-31-1d

Yes.

[ajmc]

For what it's worth, I've always found it easier to focus on isolating what a loose ball play is, because that's fairly limited to 3 basic things.
(NF:10-3-3-1) A loose ball play is action during:
a. A freekick or scrimmage kick, other than those defined in 2-33-1a.
b. A legal forward pass.
c. A backwards pass (including the snap), illegal kick or fumble by A from in or behind the NZ and prior to a
change of possession.

A "Running Play" is any action not included in Article 1 (NF: 10-3-3-2).

As suggested above, a ball becoming loose during a running play is quite different than a "loose ball play", which is limited to the 3 choices shown above. So, if it's NOT a legal forward pass, a legal kick or a backwards pass, or fumble by A BEHIND the line, you're dealing with a "running play" which may, or may not include the ball being loose at some point.

[Mike L]

FBref,

the problem you're having is the same a lot of people have with less than well written NFHS rules. 2-33-1-d is one such rule. In typical NFHS rules and/or test writing fashion, a single word in the sentence can make a HUGE difference in understanding the rule/question. The word in this particular rule is "such".
Because of the word "such", d is referring back to a/b/c which define the actions that are loose ball plays and makes the runs that happen before those actions also included. The problem becomes in "d" they just say fumble, but you have to know because of "such" they are referring to a fumble behind the NZ only as mentioned in "c".

[footballref]

Originally Posted by Mike L

FBref,

the problem you're having is the same a lot of people have with less than well written NFHS rules. 2-33-1-d is one such rule. In typical NFHS rules and/or test writing fashion, a single word in the sentence can make a HUGE difference in understanding the rule/question. The word in this particular rule is "such".
Because of the word "such", d is referring back to a/b/c which define the actions that are loose ball plays and makes the runs that happen before those actions also included. The problem becomes in "d" they just say fumble, but you have to know because of "such" they are referring to a fumble behind the NZ only as mentioned in "c".

You are correct. I went over it with my white hat and that is exactly the way he described it. I all started clicking much better after talking to him