"Hand grenade" Celebration

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Sitch A: player does what Welpe says, mimes the creation and detonation of a nuclear weapon, taking about 10-12 seconds. We're ALL going to flag this.

Question. Does the celebration include the process to enrich the uranium or are we assuming that was already done on the previous down?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Question. Does the celebration include the process to enrich the uranium or are we assuming that was already done on the previous down?

10-12 seconds... I'm thinking it must have been done in advance, perhaps in the huddle.

[Welpe]

Definitely needs a flag then. There was malicious intent. Possibly flagrant.

[bigjohn]

a. Baiting or taunting acts or words or insignia worn which engenders ill will.
NOTE: The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended or designed
to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstances including on the
basis of race, religion, gender or national origin.

9.5.1 SITUATION A: In the process of scoring a touchdown, A1: (a) holds and
waves the ball overhead the last 10 yards; or (b) after crossing the goal line, he
momentarily raises the ball overhead, but then quickly drops it to the ground.
RULING: Unsportsmanlike conduct in (a), but no foul in (b).

Could the finger pointing be taunting?

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

a. Baiting or taunting acts or words or insignia worn which engenders ill will.
NOTE: The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended or designed
to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstances including on the
basis of race, religion, gender or national origin.

9.5.1 SITUATION A: In the process of scoring a touchdown, A1: (a) holds and
waves the ball overhead the last 10 yards; or (b) after crossing the goal line, he
momentarily raises the ball overhead, but then quickly drops it to the ground.
RULING: Unsportsmanlike conduct in (a), but no foul in (b).

Could the finger pointing be taunting?

I would say if the player drops to he knee and points up to his God quickly it would fall under letter (B)...thoughts?

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

a. Baiting or taunting acts or words or insignia worn which engenders ill will.
NOTE: The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended or designed
to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstances including on the
basis of race, religion, gender or national origin.

9.5.1 SITUATION A: In the process of scoring a touchdown, A1: (a) holds and
waves the ball overhead the last 10 yards; or (b) after crossing the goal line, he
momentarily raises the ball overhead, but then quickly drops it to the ground.
RULING: Unsportsmanlike conduct in (a), but no foul in (b).

Could the finger pointing be taunting?

He isn't pointing he finger at anyone...just skyward.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

He isn't pointing he finger at anyone...just skyward.

So...taunting God?

[MD Longhorn]

Hey John, it sounds like you're trying to dig for a reason to call this a foul. Not sure why ... but how about this.

You felt that the player was taunting God by pointing up. You swear you heard him mumble, "Hah! See that God, even you couldn't stop me!"

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Question. Does the celebration include the process to enrich the uranium or are we assuming that was already done on the previous down?

If it involves a centrifuge, we probably have a 1-3-7 violation.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If it involves a centrifuge, we probably have a 1-3-7 violation.

How do you know they didn't just get it from some Libyans in exchange for a shiny bomb casing full of used pinball machine parts?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

How do you know they didn't just get it from some Libyans in exchange for a shiny bomb casing full of used pinball machine parts?

They did... but luckily Teen Wolf went back in time to fix that problem.

[bigjohn]

We have had this called against us so it must be a foul, no?

[ShadowRef]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

We have had this called against us so it must be a foul, no?

BJ; I am under the impression your not an official but a coach that wants to troll...

Like the Supreme court justices said to Larry Flynt... you know it when you see it...

anytime a team scores, there is some form of celebration, We as officials are responsible to move in collect the ball for the pat and hustle the players back to their respective huddles.

Our job is to keep the game moving, and maintain its integrity. Our best games as officials are the ones that no one remembers us being there at all.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ShadowRef

BJ; I am under the impression your not an official but a coach that wants to troll...

Like the Supreme court justices said to Larry Flynt... you know it when you see it...

You are right that BJ is a coach and often gets into with people about obscure rules or applications of the rules. I honestly think he means well, but gets caught up in some wording or situation that does not apply to his main "*****" about how a rule is enforced or not enforced.

Originally Posted by ShadowRef

anytime a team scores, there is some form of celebration, We as officials are responsible to move in collect the ball for the pat and hustle the players back to their respective huddles.

Our job is to keep the game moving, and maintain its integrity. Our best games as officials are the ones that no one remembers us being there at all.

I have to say this. Can we stop saying that we are not to be noticed to be considered a good official or doing a good job. That stopped happening some years ago for most of us. Even if we do not call something controversial or anything goofy happens, we have coaches that know before that game starts who we are. And in the age of YouTube and commentators on TV talking about officiating every other play; we are going to be noticed all the time. I think we do ourselves a disservice by acting like if we do not call things we will not get noticed or that should be the barometer. Some of the best officials are noticed for the right reasons, not for what we call or do not call.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ShadowRef

Our best games as officials are the ones that no one remembers us being there at all.

I've always hated hearing this. It's just not true. If no one remembers us being there at all, it probably means we were not doing our jobs. No game is ever run so cleanly that we are not visible in some aspect. I hate when officials say this, it often means their goal is to fly under the radar and not affect the game... but the result means they DID affect the game by not making calls they should have.

Seen and not heard is a cop-out for doing your job.