"Hand grenade" Celebration

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

It's not really a slippery slope. I'm still not flagging it anyway. I'm just thinking showboat.

I probably don't flag the choreographed grenade either until his teammates join in.

I am fine with "you" doing that...that is "your" line in the sand. My line is just a few miles right of yours.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bkdow

So we are going to question a religious act? Next will we bring race into it? A choregraphed celebration is not a spontaneous celebration....15 yards USC.

I think you're taking this backward. The religious act as stated is obviously choreographed, and not spontaneous... That doesn't (in my book) make it illegal ... so it's not the choreography or lack of spontaneity that makes the first post illegal - it's the fact that he involved teammates in this choreography.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I am fine with "you" doing that...that is "your" line in the sand. My line is just a few miles right of yours.

I kind of thought we were mostly in agreement until this one. How does my line differ from yours?

[Welpe]

What if he simulates a nuclear weapon instead of a hand grenade? Where does the insanity end?

[bigjohn]

c. Any delayed, excessive or prolonged act by which a player attempts to
focus attention upon himself


9.5.1 SITUATION C: B1 intercepts A1’s pass and returns it 95 yards for the goahead
score. After entering the end zone, B1 (a) does a series of back flips, or (b)
runs toward his team box, then stops and struts back and forth in front of this
team’s fans. RULING: An unsportsmanlike foul in both (a) and (b), penalized from
the succeeding spot. The touchdown stands.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

c. Any delayed, excessive or prolonged act by which a player attempts to
focus attention upon himself

How is either the grenade toss (without the teammates involved) or the Look at me I'm Religious showboat either delayed, excessive, or prolonged?

Here's where I see a problem...

Sitch A: player does what Welpe says, mimes the creation and detonation of a nuclear weapon, taking about 10-12 seconds. We're ALL going to flag this.
Sitch B: player kneels down and prays for 10-12 seconds. Who is going to flag that? It's obviously prolonged. The ref that flags that is more likely to get reprimanded after the fact than told he did the right thing.

And that's just wrong.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Sitch A: player does what Welpe says, mimes the creation and detonation of a nuclear weapon, taking about 10-12 seconds. We're ALL going to flag this.

Question. Does the celebration include the process to enrich the uranium or are we assuming that was already done on the previous down?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Question. Does the celebration include the process to enrich the uranium or are we assuming that was already done on the previous down?

10-12 seconds... I'm thinking it must have been done in advance, perhaps in the huddle.

[Welpe]

Definitely needs a flag then. There was malicious intent. Possibly flagrant.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Question. Does the celebration include the process to enrich the uranium or are we assuming that was already done on the previous down?

If it involves a centrifuge, we probably have a 1-3-7 violation.

[bigjohn]

a. Baiting or taunting acts or words or insignia worn which engenders ill will.
NOTE: The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended or designed
to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstances including on the
basis of race, religion, gender or national origin.

9.5.1 SITUATION A: In the process of scoring a touchdown, A1: (a) holds and
waves the ball overhead the last 10 yards; or (b) after crossing the goal line, he
momentarily raises the ball overhead, but then quickly drops it to the ground.
RULING: Unsportsmanlike conduct in (a), but no foul in (b).

Could the finger pointing be taunting?

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I kind of thought we were mostly in agreement until this one. How does my line differ from yours?

It doesn't, just trying to lighten the mood a bit.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by welpe

question. Does the celebration include the process to enrich the uranium or are we assuming that was already done on the previous down?

+1

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

a. Baiting or taunting acts or words or insignia worn which engenders ill will.
NOTE: The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended or designed
to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstances including on the
basis of race, religion, gender or national origin.

9.5.1 SITUATION A: In the process of scoring a touchdown, A1: (a) holds and
waves the ball overhead the last 10 yards; or (b) after crossing the goal line, he
momentarily raises the ball overhead, but then quickly drops it to the ground.
RULING: Unsportsmanlike conduct in (a), but no foul in (b).

Could the finger pointing be taunting?

I would say if the player drops to he knee and points up to his God quickly it would fall under letter (B)...thoughts?

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

a. Baiting or taunting acts or words or insignia worn which engenders ill will.
NOTE: The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended or designed
to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under any circumstances including on the
basis of race, religion, gender or national origin.

9.5.1 SITUATION A: In the process of scoring a touchdown, A1: (a) holds and
waves the ball overhead the last 10 yards; or (b) after crossing the goal line, he
momentarily raises the ball overhead, but then quickly drops it to the ground.
RULING: Unsportsmanlike conduct in (a), but no foul in (b).

Could the finger pointing be taunting?

He isn't pointing he finger at anyone...just skyward.