What would you do

BroKen62 · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Aug 21, 2010, 11:17am

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Originally Posted by mbyron

I agree with the interp in the second half of your post.

The fumble happened FIRST, before B's foul in the EZ. So if the ball becomes dead in the EZ we have a TB, and the enforcement spot for fouls by B becomes the 20. Thus, the foul by B in its own EZ is NOT a safety in this case.

I agree that the basic spot for enforcement is the 20, but because the spot of the foul was behind the basic spot, (behind the goal line) would that not be a safety if they decline A's penalty because of the all-but-one principle?

Robert Goodman · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Aug 21, 2010, 04:31pm

Also interesting is the timing of B's foul. What's the conversation with the referee like if the official who called B2's block in the back wasn't looking at the recovery and couldn't see which came first?

jemiller · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Aug 21, 2010, 04:42pm

I would think that the basic spot of enforcement would be the 20, since B recovered the ball in the EZ. Since they also fouled in the EZ however, I believe that the all but one principle would make it a spot foul and a safety if A accepts the block in the back penalty. Depending on the time, score, etc. B may just have to accept A's penalty and cause a double foul so that the down would be replayed.

Both fouls occurred after the change of possession. B could of course decline the penalty for A's face mask, retain the ball, but then it would be a safety because their foul was in the EZ.

OK...What I am missing... Jim

Welpe · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Aug 21, 2010, 06:42pm

You're not missing anything, Jim. This is all but one enforcement. A foul by the offense behind the basic spot is enforced from the spot of the foul.

Now if B fouls before they recover the fumble, then you have a double foul since B did not get the ball with clean hands and the down is replayed with no options given.

mbyron · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Aug 21, 2010, 04:33pm

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Originally Posted by BroKen62

I agree that the basic spot for enforcement is the 20, but because the spot of the foul was behind the basic spot, (behind the goal line) would that not be a safety if they decline A's penalty because of the all-but-one principle?

I think you're right. As I review the rules, I see no reason to think that ABO would be suspended here.

So B would certainly take the A penalty for a double foul and replay the down.