Weird Freshman Play

I'll try to do the scenario some justice, but if it isn't clear, I'll be happy to make clarifications. The scene:

4th down (and I can't remember how many yards) for A, and they decide to punt. The punter somehow punts it so it never really left the ground, and the ball becomes loose behind the LOS. While the ball is loose, white hat throws a flag for a block in the back on B57, in A's backfield. B recovers the loose ball and gains possession just short of the LOS. Since PSK didn't apply because the kick never went past the LOS, the white hat marked off 10 yards from the spot of the foul and awarded possession to B.

I believe the white hat had it right, even after bringing the whole crew in to figure it out, but wanted to see what comments, if any, folks on the board had. Thanks.

[MRH]

I'm going to disagree.

The penalty is during a loose ball play and if K accepted the penalty the down is replayed unless penalty enforcement gives them a first down.

[whitehat]

Don't ya just love the kicking game!

Unlcear descritption in my mind but here are some things to consider:

If the punter kicked the ball off the ground, (your descriptionis a bit unclear) then we also need to factor in an illegal kick on the play.

If you factor out the illegal kick (not sure if this happened or not from description) then you do as MRH says, penalize the BIB from previous spot.

Since R (B) fouled before gaining possesion they would not get to keep the ball.

Something else to consider. If the BIB was an attempot to push or pull an opponent in an attempt to get at the loose ball then this contact may be legal and not a BIB.

So, in the end, without the illegal kick and without the BIB we may have B ball 1st and 10.

Originally Posted by whitehat

Don't ya just love the kicking game!

Unlcear descritption in my mind but here are some things to consider:

If the punter kicked the ball off the ground, (your descriptionis a bit unclear) then we also need to factor in an illegal kick on the play.

I'll clarify...the punter didn't kick it off the ground. The white hat described it as if the punter kicked it off his toes and the ball went straight down to the ground after it touched his shoe. I couldn't see the whole thing because I was LJ in 4-man crew and was back with the returner about 40 yards downfield.

[Canned Heat]

If the punter kicked the ball off the ground, (your description is a bit unclear) then we also need to factor in an illegal kick on the play.

Keep in mind, a drop kick is legal in a scrimmage kick scenario per NFHS rules. (Just throwing this out there...not that that's what happened)

[ppaltice]

I am going to agree with MRH. Foul occurs during a loose ball play and PSK does not apply as the foul is behind the ENZ. Penalty is 10 yards from previous spor and replay the down.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

While the ball is loose, white hat throws a flag for a block in the back on B57, in A's backfield. B recovers the loose ball and gains possession just short of the LOS. Since PSK didn't apply because the kick never went past the LOS

The ball has to cross the expanded neutral zone not LOS. The foul must occur beyond the expanded neutral zone not behind the neutral zone.