Horse Collar or Not?

[JRutledge]

If you feel the tackle was caused by the pulling of the "horse-collar" then you have a foul. If you feel that the use of the other hand contributed more to the tackle, then you could have nothing. Basically it is not a foul unless the action of the "horse-collar" was the reason the runner went backwards. It is hard to tell by your description as it does seem like this is likely a foul, but it does not have to be.

Peace

[babrown]

Well I passed on this call, as i felt that the arm around the waist was a helping factor in the tackle.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by babrown

Well I passed on this call, as i felt that the arm around the waist was a helping factor in the tackle.

I think that you might have missed this call, if that was your only reason for passing (I wasn't there, and so won't presume to judge).

The rule specifies necessary conditions for calling HCT. If the play meets those conditions, then it's a HCT, whatever else happened. If the runner had stopped his fall with his hand and landed on his side instead of his back, for instance, I'm still calling HCT.

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Is Fed rule the same as NCAA?

NCAA rule uses the word "immediately". If one hand is around waist, it doesn't sound "immediate" to me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

Is Fed rule the same as NCAA?

NCAA rule uses the word "immediately". If one hand is around waist, it doesn't sound "immediate" to me.

No the rule is not the same. The way it is being interpreted by many states is that you have to go backwards relatively quickly. But that is the problem with the rule; the intent and the wording do not always make sense.

Peace

[dbking]

I had a similar play a couple of weeks ago and has sparked a number of conversations among our community.

A42 runs into B76 at line of scrimmage. B76 stands up A42 and runner is moving backwards. THe defensive lineman continues the tackle and in wrapping up the player, the hand grabs the inside of back of shoulder pads. Player goes down backwards. Offensive coach is going nuts. I passed due to the player was already moving back and was by no means pulled down via Hc.

Your thoughts

[RadioBlue]

Here's a link to a play we had earlier this season. I'm the back judge and passed on the call because the runner was tackled forward. My wing flagged it. As a crew we discussed it and stayed with the HCT call.

What do you folks think?

YouTube - HCT full