Two strange JV plays from this evening

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe

#2, If I'm correct, this situation gives B an advantage even though they fouled second. Since you enforce them in order, A has to declare their intentions first and B can counter.

A fouled first, so B chooses first.

Each team has 2 options, which means 4 possible outcomes:

1. B takes penalty on try (ball to B18), then A takes penalty on try (ball to B9). Ball on B9 for the try, A40 for the kickoff.

2. B takes penalty on try, then A takes penalty on kickoff. Ball on B18 for the try, B45 for the kickoff.

3. B takes penalty on the kickoff, then A takes penalty on the try. Ball on B1.5 for the try, A25 for the kickoff.

4. B takes penalty on the kickoff (ball to A25), then A takes penalty on the kickoff (ball to A40). Ball on B3 for the try, A40 for the kickoff.

#3 won't happen unless A are eejits. I suspect that the likely outcomes are #1 and #4, depending on what B does. #1 gives B an advantage.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by mbyron

A fouled first, so B chooses first.

Each team has 2 options, which means 4 possible outcomes:

1. B takes penalty on try (ball to B18), then A takes penalty on try (ball to B9). Ball on B9 for the try, A40 for the kickoff.

2. B takes penalty on try, then A takes penalty on kickoff. Ball on B18 for the try, B45 for the kickoff.

3. B takes penalty on the kickoff, then A takes penalty on the try. Ball on B1.5 for the try, A25 for the kickoff.

4. B takes penalty on the kickoff (ball to A25), then A takes penalty on the kickoff (ball to A40). Ball on B3 for the try, A40 for the kickoff.

#3 won't happen unless A are eejits. I suspect that the likely outcomes are #1 and #4, depending on what B does. #1 gives B an advantage.

Depending on the situation and captains' opinions (OK, actually coaches' opinions), I could see any of those combinations reasonably taken. If A is 1 point behind minus the try, I could see B choosing to get the field position advantage and then A wanting a better shot at a 2 point conversion. If the score is tied, I could easily see B wanting to make a try kick harder and then A wanting to make it easier. No idiocy required.

[procivil]

Can you explain how you arrived at "ball to B9" on Option 1

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by procivil

Can you explain how you arrived at "ball to B9" on Option 1

I guess that's to me. Sure: IIRC, two dead ball personal fouls, each enforced in the order it occurred. Enforce the penalty on A first, moves the ball 15 yards from the B3 to the B18. Then enforce the penalty on B, moves the ball half the distance to the goal, which is to the B9.

[procivil]

Thanks for the reply, but Im still confused. If the enforcement of the first penalty brings it to the 18, wouldnt the enforcement of the second penalty bring it back to the 3?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by procivil

Thanks for the reply, but Im still confused. If the enforcement of the first penalty brings it to the 18, wouldnt the enforcement of the second penalty bring it back to the 3?

No.

10-1-5:
"Enforcement of a penalty cannot take the ball more than half the
distance from the enforcement spot to the offending team’s goal line. If the
prescribed penalty is greater than this, the ball is placed halfway from the spot of
enforcement to the goal line."

[procivil]

Excellent! Thank you!