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Old Mon Oct 12, 2009, 07:11pm
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Clock Status?

NFHS Rules please:

2nd and goal from the 5 yard line for team A. Live clock. Team A throws a TD pass and the clock stops with 5 secs. There is a penalty for illegal formation. Team B accepts the penalty. So now it's 2nd and goal from the 10. What's the clock status?
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Old Mon Oct 12, 2009, 07:13pm
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I am gonna have to go with live. A screwed up with a live clock and the flag was at the snap. mark it and chop it and if they are smart they will get the play off.
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Old Mon Oct 12, 2009, 08:20pm
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I gotta go with the snap because the action which caused the down to end was a TD.
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Old Mon Oct 12, 2009, 08:32pm
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Dead clock.
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The snap in varsity games. ( On the ready in sub-varsity games.. lol)
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Old Mon Oct 12, 2009, 08:58pm
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When your enforcing a penalty, anytime a play ends in the endzone, the clock starts on the snap.
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I am gonna have to go with live. A screwed up with a live clock and the flag was at the snap. mark it and chop it and if they are smart they will get the play off.
Although the flag was at the snap, the down continued and ended with a score.

As a general rule, ask yourself what happened during the down to kill the clock. Since the down ended with a score, the clock will wind on the snap.

If there had been a false start penalty, then you'd be right to wind it on the ready.
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Old Tue Oct 13, 2009, 08:01am
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.......Since the down ended with a score, the clock will wind on the RFP.
You mean snap, don't you?

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Old Tue Oct 13, 2009, 09:31am
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You mean snap, don't you?
he did just say the same thing. RFP and on the wind
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Old Tue Oct 13, 2009, 10:02am
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You mean snap, don't you?
Yes. Sorry -- fixed it.
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Old Tue Oct 13, 2009, 10:36am
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Yes. Sorry -- fixed it.
I could tell you knew.
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Old Tue Oct 13, 2009, 11:20am
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Although the flag was at the snap, the down continued and ended with a score.

As a general rule, ask yourself what happened during the down to kill the clock. Since the down ended with a score, the clock will wind on the snap.

If there had been a false start penalty, then you'd be right to wind it on the ready.
Ok, read it and now know what the rule says, but that is counter intuitive. A screwed up yet saved themselves by putting it in, seems like this hurts B a little too. Oh well.
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Old Tue Oct 13, 2009, 11:24am
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Ok, read it and now know what the rule says, but that is counter intuitive. A screwed up yet saved themselves by putting it in, seems like this hurts B a little too. Oh well.
There are so many possible situation, multiple fouls, etc. that the rules-makers have to have a general solution to when to start the clock. The general rule references how the ball became dead. It's arbitrary, but sometimes arbitrary is fair (as in a coin toss).
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Old Tue Oct 13, 2009, 03:24pm
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If you read the Redding Guide he talks about major and minor clock stoppers. Major clock stoppers include:

A ball or ball in player possession going OOB
An incomplete pass
B is awarded a new series
Either team is awarded a new series following a legal kick
A score
A fair catch is made
Can't think of any others??? Must be some......

Anyway, if you stop the clock and there are two reasons for stopping the clock (in this case the foul and the score) then the major stopper trumps the minor one and you start on the snap. This is a simplified summary of the Guide but it's a good one to know.
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