Legal tackle or not?

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by stegenref

What is the FED site? Is it similar to this one?

NFHS Forum: Football

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The tackler flipped the runner over, but he did not have the "top-down" leverage required to drive him head-first into the ground. The tackler ended underneath the runner.

As a wrestling official (and an ex-wrestler who has been thrown like this many times), I can tell you that "top-down" leverage is not required to actually create significant head-first force into the ground. Where the tackler ended in relation to the runner has little to no bearing on whether or not there was an acceleration down towards the ground and significant risk of head and/or neck injury. By popping his hips up during the throw, I can assure you that plenty of leverage/downward force was created. If you don't believe me, head to a local wrestling practice in November and ask somebody to suplay or salto you. There is a reason throws like this are illegal under NFHS wrestling rules.

The play was over when the defender popped his hips and created the downward acceleration. The forward progress had been stopped. The runner was no longer in contact with the ground. This is akin to a defender catching an airborne receiver, driving him back, and then intentionally depositing him on his head at the whistle. The fact that it was all part of a continuous action leads me to believe that I'd give the defender the benefit of the doubt that the act was not intentional and pass on any foul.

However, I don't thing it is as cut and dry of a no-call as most.

[stegenref]

Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe

NFHS Forum: Football

Do you guys patronize both this forum and that NFHS forum or do most people look at just one or the other? Which one is better and why?

[Welpe]

I post on several. This one, the NFHS forum and Refstripes.com. There are a few others for baseball and what not but I am a bit of a forum junkie.

I've recently moved to Texas (which uses NCAA rules in football) so I probably won't post much in the football section anymore but I just started basketball and I work baseball so I won't drop off of there completely.

[JRutledge]

I would say that the NF website for football is probably better. But that is mostly because year-round more officials and coaches frequent that board. There are more detailed discussions on the football side of things. The basketball board is another example of how bad it is on the NF board. Not many conversations or people attend that site. I do not think the issue is which is better? I think the issue is what serves your needs. Both serve my needs to discuss officiating. I am on a couple of other boards that are not quite officiating sites from time to time as well. It is not really that big of deal, I am often trying to pass the time between activities.

Peace