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voiceoflg Tue Sep 29, 2009 07:47pm

Legal tackle or not?
 
I don't have the ability to edit, so I'll have to link the whole highlight reel. The tackle in question is 2:33 in. Is it a legal tackle?

Legal or not?

InsideTheStripe Tue Sep 29, 2009 08:59pm

While it certainly borders on unnecessary roughness, I not sure I'd throw it under normal circumstances.

I've cut it and added it to this post to make it easier for others to see.

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Rich Tue Sep 29, 2009 09:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by voiceoflg (Post 627924)
I don't have the ability to edit, so I'll have to link the whole highlight reel. The tackle in question is 2:33 in. Is it a legal tackle?

Legal or not?

Regardless, it should've been an incomplete pass. :p

JRutledge Tue Sep 29, 2009 09:25pm

I see nothing wrong with this tackle. Just because he was pulled out of bounds there is nothing illegal automatically about someone landing on their head.

Peace

InsideTheStripe Tue Sep 29, 2009 09:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 627950)
I see nothing wrong with this tackle. Just because he was pulled out of bounds there is nothing illegal automatically about someone landing on their head.

While I agree with this statement, I'm still not sure about this play. I didn't see a player that just happened to land on his head as the result of a tackle. I see a player picked up and DRIVEN head first into the ground. Was it necessary to drive him into the ground?

Like I previously said, I think I let it go if I see it live. However, I'd probably spend some time wondering if it were a good no-call.

bigjohn Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:05pm

Why is the it punching it back? It is an incomplete forward pass and there should be all kinds of whistles! That is poor officiating IMHO

JRutledge Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe (Post 627953)
While I agree with this statement, I'm still not sure about this play. I didn't see a player that just happened to land on his head as the result of a tackle. I see a player picked up and DRIVEN head first into the ground. Was it necessary to drive him into the ground?

Like I previously said, I think I let it go if I see it live. However, I'd probably spend some time wondering if it were a good no-call.

He is trying to make the tackle. The runner is trying to get away. It was not like the player was not fighting for yardage. If this player does not land on this head, we are not even talking about this. Football is a violent sport and everything took place in-bounds while the ball was considered live (whether that should have been is another issue). It is not about what is necessary; it is about what was done. The play was not over when he threw the ball carrier to the ground.

Peace

Welpe Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:35pm

Also, anybody have roughing the passer here? I'm leaning towards not but I'm not really sure.

JRutledge Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 627976)
Also, anybody have roughing the passer here? I'm leaning towards not but I'm not really sure.

It cannot be roughing the passer on a ruled backward pass. ;)

Peace

Welpe Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 627980)
It cannot be roughing the passer on a ruled backward pass. ;)

Peace

True. OK, say it was ruled forward. RTP? :)

LDUB Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 627985)
Regardless, it wasn't exactly a good ruling.

Yeah, but the main reason that guy posts is to rip officials.

JRutledge Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 627981)
True. OK, say it was ruled forward. RTP? :)

No I would not have RTP. He was hit almost immediately after the pass was released. At least that is my opinion.

Peace

Rich Wed Sep 30, 2009 01:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 627988)
Yeah, but the main reason that guy posts is to rip officials.

I know. To be fair, I posted that little tidbit first.

As ruled, I have nothing.

bigjohn Wed Sep 30, 2009 06:07am

Most officials I know would flag that as UR. Even after blowing the forward pass call.

mbyron Wed Sep 30, 2009 06:34am

Most officials I know would NOT flag that. The tackler flipped the runner over, but he did not have the "top-down" leverage required to drive him head-first into the ground. The tackler ended underneath the runner.


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