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Scrimmage kick mess!
K punts. The punt hits the ground and R plays it on a hop. R muffs the ball (new force on a grounded kick). Ball is rolling towards R's goal line. K then muffs the ball at the 2 and it rolls into the endzone where it is recovered by K.
Touchdown or safety? This may be really easy and I am just not seeing it correctly. I know that R created a new force by muffing a grounded scrimmage kick. My problem lies with the muff by K. Is that a new force and if it is, would it be a touchback since the kick has not ended? |
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You are saying that ANY kick going into the endzone is a touchback?
Then why do we define a new force? If R provides a new force and then falls on the ball in the EZ, would not that be a safety? Otherwise, who cares who created the force? Without the rule book in front of me I cannot quote the section, but, it does say that the responsibility for forcing the ball across a goal line belongs to the team who kicked the ball, UNLESS a new force is supplied by R. That would imply that a new force by R, makes it responsible for putting the ball in the EZ. If that happens to be THEIR EZ, then it is a safety if it beocmes dead in their possession there. Last edited by Illini_Ref; Sat Sep 19, 2009 at 07:52am. |
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We define a new force to determine the outcome when the ball enters the EZ after the kick has ended.
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I guess I am hung up on the section that says that if R muffs a grounded scrimmage kick, then it provides a new force. I read that to mean that if R muffs a grounded kick then they provide a new force.
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I had this play last year. So is this different from Fed? |
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Aggie, yes very different in Fed. A free or scrimmage kick breaking the plane of R's oal line is always a touchback, even if muffed by either team. The ball is dead as soon s it breaks the plane.
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Please don't assume Fed rules. The original poster didn't specify.
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Why? The vast majority of posters here only work games using NF rules. 99% of the games played in this country use NF rules.
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Yep, NF: Touchback. by rule the kick was never possesed and therefore never ended until it crossed the plane of R's goal line.
Good situation. better to think through that on a forum than having to try to sort it out on the field. |
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This is a really save assuption.
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