BIB and safety

[Forksref]

Do I see officials actually debating safety?

I hope that doesn't influence how you call a foul. Yikes.

[Mike L]

Of course it influences whether a call is made or not!!!
Safety related fouls are called no matter where they happen on the field. Non-safety related fouls are usually called only at the point of attack and if they actually did something to gain an unfair advantage.
Or do you call holds that occur on the opposite side of the play?

The debate is, is a BIB a safety related foul?

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by Mike L

The debate is, is a BIB a safety related foul?

Thanks for clearing that up for me. It sounds like since some do not view it as a safety issue, that it shouldn't be called as much.

I believe it is a safety-related foul, depending on the severity of it. e.g., if I see a BIB that is a push in the back away from the play, I am not calling it. That is a #3 above. If the guy flattens the other guy with a BIB, even if it is away from the play, it is a #1 above. If a guy pushes the opponent in the back and it affects the play, I am calling it.

And...it is not an offense v. defense case as I have called BIB on the defense before.

IMHO, it IS a safety issue and the guy who got flattened was no longer safe on the field regardless of where it occurred.

[mbyron]

As was said in the other thread, BIB should be flagged if it occurs:
(a) at the point of attack, no matter how severe, since it then confers an unfair advantage, or
(b) when it rises to the level of a PF, no matter where it occurs, since it then becomes a safety issue.

That makes sense to me. Notice that these two principles are quite different: one doesn't care how severe it is, the other doesn't care where it occurs.

BIB can be called on grounds of safety (which is always important), but the foul is defined independently of that concern.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by mbyron

As was said in the other thread, BIB should be flagged if it occurs:
(a) at the point of attack, no matter how severe, since it then confers an unfair advantage, or
(b) when it rises to the level of a PF, no matter where it occurs, since it then becomes a safety issue.

That makes sense to me. Notice that these two principles are quite different: one doesn't care how severe it is, the other doesn't care where it occurs.

BIB can be called on grounds of safety (which is always important), but the foul is defined independently of that concern.

Normally, when a BIB occurs away from the play, it's generally a cheap shot

[bigjohn]

and should be a PF for unnecessary roughness and not a BIB foul. It is not really a block if it is a hit away from the ball.

[Da Official]

Originally Posted by mbyron

As was said in the other thread, BIB should be flagged if it occurs:
(a) at the point of attack, no matter how severe, since it then confers an unfair advantage, or
(b) when it rises to the level of a PF, no matter where it occurs, since it then becomes a safety issue.

That makes sense to me. Notice that these two principles are quite different: one doesn't care how severe it is, the other doesn't care where it occurs.

BIB can be called on grounds of safety (which is always important), but the foul is defined independently of that concern.

Question: A1 takes a handoff from tTeam B's 40 yd line and runs to Team B endzone. Prior to reaching the endzone at the 5yd line, A2 pushes B2 to the ground from behind at Team B's 30 yd line (no effect on the play). A1 then crosses the endzone. A flag is thrown for the illegal block.

Assuming the official beleived the contact was aggressive and unnecessary, is the ruling a BIB with a 10 yard penalty or can you have some type of personal foul penalty with a 15 yard penalty? In either case what is the spot of enforcement? Is the TD disallowed?

Interested in both NF and NCAA rules....

Thanks!

[mbyron]

If it's a cheap shot, I'd say PF.

[Welpe]

I agree with Lord Byron, that is a personal foul for unecessary roughness, hitting somebody obviously out of the play. This is for NFHS...don't have the exact rule number handy as my books are all packed.