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Ending the Half
I don't know if its the offseason rust or what, but I thought I would post this on here to see what kind of response I'd get. This will be based on high school rules:
With :10 seconds left in the half, B committs a live ball foul. At the end of the down, the clock is stopped with :06 seconds left to administer the penalty. The play had ended inbounds. Following the penalty administration, the R winds the clock, the remaining :06 seconds run off before A attempts to snap the ball, and time runs out for the half. Is the half over, or do we have to run one untimed down? I know how the rule is worded, Rule 3.3.3.A. However, I think that would only apply if during the down where the foul occurred that the time ran out during that down. Is this correct? |
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Yes. I've always found it helpful, when explaining the penalty options to the offended Captain, to include explaining the timing elements, that the clock will start on the Ready for Play, but if time expires before he can get the play off, he'll be entitled to an untimed down.
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Agreed. Time does not have to expire during the down. Time can subsequently expire and you will still have an untimed down.
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I hope the mechanics are common sensical: that you simply let team A play thru, regardless of the expiration of time. (Like the ordinary termination of a period in Canadian football.)
Mechanics that would be stupid-sensical would involve whistling at 0:00, shooting a gun off, sounding a siren, beating a gong, and then telling A's captain, "Oh, by the way, you get an untimed down now." Robert in the Bronx |
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The best way I think to handle this situtation is to tell both coaches a play will be run regardless of the clock; otherwise, you have the teams come to the line, the clock runs out, you have to explain there will be a play. Of course, the boo-birds will be yelling, "the clock expired ref."
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Hey, we'll have none of that. So, what's the signal for a half-timed/half-untimed down?
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Look at Signal 1. Basically point straight up and circle your finger.
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You simply whistle everytning stopped at 0:00, announce to both teams that there will be an untimed down, (even if you've already explained that to both captains during the explanation of the penalty options) declare the ball RFP, and play on. |
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Last Timed Down
A foul during the last timed down...a down is the action which begins with a legal snap and ends when the ball becomes dead by rule...
2 plays for you to consider Play 1: Team A is downed in bounds with a first down and 6 seconds left. B99 piles on and gets a flag. Clock starts on the ready and expires before the ball is snapped. Is there an untimed down? Play 2: During a run by A1 B99 tackles A1 by the face mask. After penalty enforcement the clock is started on the ready for play with 30 seconds left. As A sets in their formation A77 false starts with 10 seconds left on the game clock. After penalty enforcement the clock starts again on the ready, and time expires before the ball is snapped. Is there an untimed down? My answers : Play 1 = no, Play2 = yes (But I will crucify the coach who uses that to his advantage) |
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Of course that makes a new 25 sec. clock in Fed, so if team A was still huddling instead of the scenario above you're giving them extra time to get ready. Would you change your mechanic if there was no official period time visible? Or would you actually say, "I must prevent your play to inform you that my watch says no time left for the period, which is inconsequential because this play is untimed. Play on."? Robert in the Bronx |
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Common sense
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The common sense officiating thing would be to not start the clock until the snap in that situation. I'm a big fan of common sense applications of rules, sometimes getting too technical gets in the way of being fair and officiating by the spirit of the rules. If you wind the clock and then have to have an untimed down after the clock reads 0:00, you are just asking for confusion and problems. |
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Nevwer let the rules book get in the way of a good ball game!!!
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Using your "common sense application of the rules" and thereby completly disregarding the direction of the rules book, "could" conceivably allow the offense to get in two quick plays! This application would not only be an incorrect timing allocation but could give the offense an unearned additional play. I think you are much better following the "time proven" written timing rules provided in the Rules Book for this, and any other situation.
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I've not have had the pleasure of this situation in any game in my long career, so for those who have, just what did you do?
Let's just use the same scenario, with 6 seconds left, you whistle the RFP and wind the clock, team-A just stands there... Time Expires... the horn goes off. Did you now... keep the teams on the field... issue the whoopy-doo signal (*S1) and whistle in another RFP? Or did you just tell team-A (qb) that you have 19 seconds to snap the ball? Just curious. I know the rule, just not sure how to apply it. |
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If the captains failed to explain your message to the teams, or they forgot, and there was some visible or audible indication of official time's expiration, and the players started to look confused, couldn't you just yell, "Play on!"?
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