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Shawn came through
The only satisfaction I can take out of that Duke win is that the player that made the shot is a Chicago boy. Shawn Dockery went to Julian High School on the Southside. His dad is a HS coach at Corliss High School in Chicago. Other than that bit of information, daaammmn....daaammmnnn.....daaammmnnnnn.
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Mon Dec 05, 2005, 01:49pm
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Duke is evil. Coach K is a jerk. Look, everybody's a fan, and people's perceptions are what they are. But can we dispense with all the hearsay? "I know an ACC ref who says..." If you want to attribute quotes, fine, I'd love to hear which heavy hitters are flapping their jaws around people with no sense of discretion. Until you want to start naming names, though, let's just leave that stuff out of it. We all know big-time officials, and we've all heard some stories. There's a reason, however, that those stories are told in camp--read private--settings, and not given to reporters.
Every coach, at every level, has rubbed officials the wrong way. Even Saints John and Dean have had nasty stories related about them by officials that worked their games. But what does that mean? They're bad guys because they pissed off a couple of referees? Come on. Every one of us on this board has done the same thing with people we come across in our lives, but that doesn't mean it would be fair for an acquaintance of one of those people to post on a message board about what jerks we are. If you're in the ACC and want to post stories about K, or Roy Williams, or anybody else, I'm sure you have an eager audience. Just spare us the hearsay. It comes off as something dangerously close to envy.
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Mon Dec 05, 2005, 02:08pm
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jbduke,
If you are so offended by the comments, then do not read what people have to say about this topic. I was just simply saying that what we sometimes hear from one source is totally different what we hear from another source. Let us also understand that Coach K was coached by Bobby Knight and I would expect similar behavior by both individuals on many levels. Coach K was also an assistant at Indiana for a very brief period of time before he went on to bigger and better things. I think a lot of us here buy into the things the media says and those individuals that actually come in contact with those coaches share those experiences. These officials tend to share things with other officials what they have experienced. Not sure why that would bother you or why anyone would have a problem with those stories. Peace
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Mon Dec 05, 2005, 02:12pm
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I don't have a problem with the stories; I'm not delusional, I know K is no saint. I'm simply saying that if you want to tell stories that you didn't experience first-hand, you should attribute them. If you're not willing to source your stories, you shouldn't tell them.
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Mon Dec 05, 2005, 02:35pm
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Mon Dec 05, 2005, 02:39pm
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Well I am sorry you are offended, but this is an open forum and nothing has been said to make him look bad. The truth is the truth and I am getting first hand. He is a great coach and will certaining be remembered and highly esteemed. But like most coaches, he has his way about getting his messaged conveyed to the officials. His way is just sneaky!
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Mon Dec 05, 2005, 02:54pm
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JB Lighten up. If you care to disbelieve stories, that's up to you. Based on what I see of coach K on the tube, his reactions to calls by officials, etc., I have a tendancy to believe what people say. He has the most pearcing snarly look at times. Of course, he is not the only coach like this but with coach K's squeaky clean All-American reputation, his actual behavior during games is more likely to be examined closely. So, if you want a source for the story, *I* will be the source of MY opinion about the guy.
As for Coach Knight, I attended a 2-day one-man clinic that he put on and he was great. I am sure all coaches are like that when the game is not in progress. But during games, a lot of coaches can be really tough on officials and can be real whiners. And....I don't need "sources" to make me think differently. Even when it's my team they're talking about. ;-)
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Mon Dec 05, 2005, 03:07pm
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We do not have to talk about coaches that are nationally known, we could say the same things about local coaches that are well known in a state or area. I can tell you that some of the coaches that are loved are some of the worst people to be around when the ball is thrown up. And the coaches that are seen as hard to deal with are angels most of the time. All I have tried to say is what the media says does not paint a very big picture of what someone is really like.
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You can attribute all of that to me. It's my opinion from watching him in action for a whole buncha years. He may be a great coach but he's also one of the all-time great whiners imo.
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