Opinions on this........

[bigjohn]

Pretty sure the OHSAA officials mechanics book even states that the HL shall carry the rules book!

[bigjohn]

There was an official that posted this on NFHS website.


http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...c;f=9;t=003666

[jaybird]

I thought that was a bigjohn that posted that on the NFHS web site.

[waltjp]

John, without going back, is that the post that someone called BS on?

[bigjohn]

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Rate Member posted September 25, 2008 01:17 PM
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I believe the mechanics book says the Headlinesman should bring one to the field, not sure. I know someone is suppose to. I also know the MAJORITY of the WH's I have ever worked with would never bring it out. Says "It looks bad". I don't agree. If the coach wants a rules conference for misapplication, how can you determine if the rule was misapplied without looking at a copy of the rule? When the coach/official conference was implimented, it was a point at all the State clinics in Ohio, that a Rules Book would be on the field. Have not heard about it since nor have I ever heard of a crew being critized for not having one available.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

If the coach wants a rules conference for misapplication, how can you determine if the rule was misapplied without looking at a copy of the rule?

A coach has the right to question a ruling, that does not mean a coach has some right to demand seeing anything, or having a ruling proved to him. In the world of adults, the coach questions a ruling, the referee considers the coach's position and then decides whether there has been a misapplication of rule. No debate is necessary, no argument nor detailed explanation is required, although often such may be provided as a professional curtesy.

A coach can provide information for a Referee's consideration to assist his decision making, and a smart Referee will accept and consider the information provided.

There's nothing suggesting anyone needs to "prove" anything, or have anything "proven to them. NF: 1-1-6 answers that question, "....The referee's decisions are final in all matters pertaining to the game". Coaches do not have to agree with a Referee's decision, nor is there any requirement they be persuaded by them, although that may frequently be the Referee's objective.

Coaches do however, have to accept thoise decisions and the Referee must accept the responsibility for making them.

[Jim D.]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

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Rate Member posted September 25, 2008 01:17 PM
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I believe the mechanics book says the Headlinesman should bring one to the field, not sure. I know someone is suppose to. I also know the MAJORITY of the WH's I have ever worked with would never bring it out. Says "It looks bad". I don't agree. If the coach wants a rules conference for misapplication, how can you determine if the rule was misapplied without looking at a copy of the rule? When the coach/official conference was implimented, it was a point at all the State clinics in Ohio, that a Rules Book would be on the field. Have not heard about it since nor have I ever heard of a crew being critized for not having one available.

It sounds as if you are implying that the burden is on the official to prove to a coach that the the rule was not misapplied. I would suggest it's the other way around - the burden is on the coach to prove to the officials that the rule was misapplied. Hence, the coach better have a rule book with him if he wants to challenge.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Jim D.

It sounds as if you are implying that the burden is on the official to prove to a coach that the the rule was not misapplied. I would suggest it's the other way around - the burden is on the coach to prove to the officials that the rule was misapplied. Hence, the coach better have a rule book with him if he wants to challenge.

Considering the amount of time it sometimes takes to track down the exact right quotation in the rule book, or Case Book, Officials Manual or various bulletins, to address questions brought up on these forums, thumbing through any book on the field, no matter who brings it out, is a mistake.