Scrimmage Kick Bruhaha

[With_Two_Flakes]

I'm with jaybird, 1 & 10 from the 12 1/2 sounds right to me.

[Jim D.]

You all are right of course - holding is 10 yards which moves R back to his 25. The dead ball is 1/2 the distance which goes to the 12 1/2.

[Robert Goodman]

Huh...so in nobody's code is there the choice of an awarded fair catch + 15 yds. from the spot of the KCI? That'd seem to be an advantageous choice for R, which following the dead ball PF would leave them at their own 30 yard line -- if that is indeed an allowed choice.

[golfnref]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Huh...so in nobody's code is there the choice of an awarded fair catch + 15 yds. from the spot of the KCI? That'd seem to be an advantageous choice for R, which following the dead ball PF would leave them at their own 30 yard line -- if that is indeed an allowed choice.

If R accepts a penalty against K, K could then accept the holding penalty against R making it a double foul and replay the down. Then as Jim D. stated the dead ball foul against R would give K a first down. In order for R to keep the ball, they have to decline K's fouls.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Huh...so in nobody's code is there the choice of an awarded fair catch + 15 yds. from the spot of the KCI? That'd seem to be an advantageous choice for R, which following the dead ball PF would leave them at their own 30 yard line -- if that is indeed an allowed choice.

Check out 10-2-2b, R must decline K's fouls to keep the ball.

[Texas Aggie]

NCAA: same as what Ed said -- R must decline K's fouls. Holding enforced from the 35 to the 25, then half the distance for the dead ball foul. No reason to give choices, just explain the result. First and 10 from R's 12.5.

[Ed Hickland]

This brings up one of my pet peeves. When I first started as an R I used to say "if you decline this penalty, or, if you accept this penalty" and it felt really stupid after a while as most penalties declination is a bad choice. Now that does mean I must determine if there is a reason to decline. Then I read Jerry Markbreit who said don't let them make a bad choice.
Now when I'm working a sub-varsity game and another official is the R it really bothers me to hear them give that stupid, "if you decline" option. Say it's a pass interference, "Captain if you decline, you have not be able to replay the down and it will be 3rd and 37 or accept the penalty and its 1st and 10." C'mon, why even mention what happens if you decline, in fact, just tell him, "Captain, first and ten," and move on.

[Sonofanump]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

when I'm working a sub-varsity game

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

I read Jerry Markbreit who said don't let them make a bad choice.

I agree.

It make no sense to "consult" with the captins if a choice is clear. I would just tell them they want the foul and move on.