A-11 is no longer legal.

[MrUmpire]

Sue' em!!!

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/...uarterback.php

[mbyron]

Lawsuit? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! !!!

[HLin NC]

Can't wait to see the 4 team A11FL. Who will cover the travel costs?

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Sue' em!!!

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/...uarterback.php

So I read that article and at the bottom of it someone provided a link to some books Kurt Bryan has written. One of them is called "The Double Move" and has a interesting plot...I've always wanted a book that combined football and gay love affairs with religious figures who also happen to be serial killers...

"When Kenny Brown is named the new football coach at a prestigious college, he puts together a top-notch coaching staff including Phillip Zanton, a former pro football superstar. However, Kenny doesn't realize that Zanton is having an affair with the powerful but morally bankrupt priest, father Rudy. As the truth about the priest begins to unfold, people start to disappear. After the brutal murder of a friend, Kenny goes to father Rudy for support, unaware that he is the priest's next target."



http://www.kurtbryan.com/

[jaybird]

Originally Posted by LDUB

So I read that article and at the bottom of it someone provided a link to some books Kurt Bryan has written. One of them is called "The Double Move" and has a interesting plot...I've always wanted a book that combined football and gay love affairs with religious figures who also happen to be serial killers...

"When Kenny Brown is named the new football coach at a prestigious college, he puts together a top-notch coaching staff including Phillip Zanton, a former pro football superstar. However, Kenny doesn't realize that Zanton is having an affair with the powerful but morally bankrupt priest, father Rudy. As the truth about the priest begins to unfold, people start to disappear. After the brutal murder of a friend, Kenny goes to father Rudy for support, unaware that he is the priest's next target."



http://www.kurtbryan.com/

Just the kind of mind we want coaching our young people!

[MrUmpire]

"The Double Move achieves a perfect score of 100 points like a fine bottle of California wine with the smell of San Francisco sex, the taste of ferocious football and the body of scorching suspense."
Paul D. Harvey,
Member Louis L' Amour Club

Smell of San Francisco sex? Ewwwwwwww.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by jaybird

Just the kind of mind we want coaching our young people!

Well, the list of authors who wrote successful novels about unsavory characters is pretty long and impressive. Fortunately they are judged by their writing and story telling abilities, not their choice of plots.

I just don't get the vitriol against the A-11.

If it was born as an unintended consequence from a poorly written rule then, by all means, close the loophole. But why rail against the innovation it represents? This type of reaction can lead to the A-11 obtaining cult status.

Better to let the A-11 try to stand on its own against the defensive minds who always find ways to dismantle the most innovative offenses.

i think the A-11 represents critical thinking on the part of its authors and practitioners and should be countered by the same. More than likely it will not survive.

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Well, the list of authors who wrote successful novels about unsavory characters is pretty long and impressive. Fortunately they are judged by their writing and story telling abilities, not their choice of plots.

I just don't get the vitriol against the A-11.

If it was born as an unintended consequence from a poorly written rule then, by all means, close the loophole. But why rail against the innovation it represents? This type of reaction can lead to the A-11 obtaining cult status.

Better to let the A-11 try to stand on its own against the defensive minds who always find ways to dismantle the most innovative offenses.

i think the A-11 represents critical thinking on the part of its authors and practitioners and should be countered by the same. More than likely it will not survive.

Jim: the critical thinking you seem to support came from an unsportsmanlike twisting of a rule that is neither in the spirit nor intent of that rule. Further, he is profiting off of his "innovation". I signed up for emails from him and got one recently where they talk about "Numerical Camouflage", meaning you put #88, #86, #68 out on one side of the formation, run the appropriate players up to the line of scrimmage, set for one second and snap the ball, thus placing the defense under "stress" as they only have one second to determine who's eligible. That isn't innovation, that's cheating.

The NFHS and all it's member states and countless member schools agreed that it was unsportsmanlike cheating and voted to restore the original intent of the rule. Lastly, this all comes from a man who apparently has written a book about a football coach having a homosexual relationship with a priest. In Cali that is probably acceptable but to me it's sickening especially when you consider he's coaching youth.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by kdf5

J In Cali that is probably acceptable but to me it's sickening especially when you consider he's coaching youth.

The subject of priests and homosexual activity is hardly fiction and its practice is nearly universal.

Whatever Bryan's motivations about the A-11 and whether they are are pure or not have no connection to his fiction writing.

If we condemn authors because they write books about subjects we don't like then we are going to be reading a lot fewer books.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

The subject of priests and homosexual activity is hardly fiction and its practice is nearly universal.

Uhm...what?

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

The subject of priests and homosexual activity is hardly fiction and its practice is nearly universal.

Are you serious or are you seriously prejudiced?

Whatever Bryan's motivations about the A-11 and whether they are are pure or not have no connection to his fiction writing.

Again, are you serious? A high school coach, a person who is supposed to be a leader of youth, writes about football players and homosexual relationships with priests and you think he should be allowed to continue coaching?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

The subject of priests and homosexual activity is hardly fiction and its practice is nearly universal.

I'm not catholic and I find this statement extremely uninformed; or poorly worded.

It looks like you're saying catholic priests are nearly universally homosexuals.
You might, however, be saying the use of this subject in fiction writing is common place.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

i think the A-11 represents critical thinking on the part of its authors and practitioners and should be countered by the same. More than likely it will not survive.

Kurt and Stan are not the "authors". They are the "branders and packagers" of an offense that has been tried before, and the slick salesmen of a product that they were warned did not fit within the intent or spirit of the rules. They knowingly mislead players, administrators, other coaches and the media in regards to both the offense's authorship and future legality to make a buck.

If they achieve cult-like status, it won't be because of those who turned the spotlight on their shenanigans, it will be because of the gullible few who couldn't wait to send them $199 to learn how to circumvent the rules and who now swallow their claims of martyrdom at the hands of that terrible beast, NFHS.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Originally Posted by jaybird
Just the kind of mind we want coaching our young people!

Well, the list of authors who wrote successful novels about unsavory characters is pretty long and impressive. Fortunately they are judged by their writing and story telling abilities, not their choice of plots.

I just don't get the vitriol against the A-11.

If it was born as an unintended consequence from a poorly written rule then, by all means, close the loophole. But why rail against the innovation it represents? This type of reaction can lead to the A-11 obtaining cult status.

Better to let the A-11 try to stand on its own against the defensive minds who always find ways to dismantle the most innovative offenses.

i think the A-11 represents critical thinking on the part of its authors and practitioners and should be countered by the same. More than likely it will not survive.

I like to compare Coach Bryan and his "critical thinking" to the Wall Street bankers and their "critical thinking" that has gotten the country by selling mortgages to people who possibly could not pay them back. They got paid, the mortgagees got screwed.

My simile of "critical thinking" is called cheating. Thank goodness we have the Rules Committee calling a stop to this nonsense.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

I like to compare Coach Bryan and his "critical thinking" to the Wall Street bankers and their "critical thinking" that has gotten the country by selling mortgages to people who possibly could not pay them back. They got paid, the mortgagees got screwed.

Those "bankers" packaged home loans into new debt instruments and bet the housing bubble would never burst. As for selling mortgages to people who could not afford them, that was done earlier, spurred on by the politicians who insisted that loan qualifications be overlooked so more people could enjoy home ownership.

There is plenty of blame to pass around, and a declining number of active taxpayers left to pay for it all.

But I digress.

The Federation acted wisely in changing the rules that led to the current version of the A-11. And I won't argue with the opinions of you and the others on the motivation of Bryan.

I am just wary of making him the focus instead of the A-11.
But I digress.