The "Future" of the A 6 + 5

[KurtBryan]

One of the points is, there is already a precedent for teams, areas, sections or states to do something different.

One of the major factors presented to us by more than one group around the country is for many years teams either in the same state (that play under varied rules) and/or two teams playing each other from different states that have varied rules Do play each other.

So Yes, that has been happening for years and years, and to be honest, it is rather interesting to hear what they are saying, etc.

And so again, in just this one different item, teams competing vs. each other even though their league, section or state has differing rules, has been happening for many years.

The precedent has already been established in just this one area, and there are lots of items being presented to us.

Best of Luck,

KB

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

One of the points is, there is already a precedent for teams, areas, sections or states to do something different.

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The precedent has already been established in just this one area, and there are lots of items being presented to us.

Best of Luck,

KB

Kurt,

A-11 is not new, the youth leagues play with it all the time and officials officiate it.

Most states including California divide schools based upon attendance figures so that super size school does not play super small school.

NFHS has rules for 8 and 6 man football for those schools who for whatever reason cannot fill an eleven man squad. Know for many years Texas had such a program and one of the alumni was Dallas Cowboy QB Dandy Don Meredith.

My suggestion to you for what it is worth is play by the rules for 11-man football like them or not. There are some rules us officials do not like but we enforce them as written.

Or, see if you can enroll your school in a youth program where the A-11 lives every day at every game.

Or, rather than cry foul that other schools are bigger than Piedmont and this helps overcome that problem, drop down into an 8-team league.

I know Piedmont is an influential East Bay community and a wonderful place to live but quit trying to make everyone else subscribe to your "innovation."

Best of luck in whatever direction you take your program.

[kdf5]

Like I said in the other forum, I agree with Kurt. Go. Go now. Go quickly. Do your own thing and take your compadres with you. Go. We support your new A11 league. Go and get 'r done. Go.

[KurtBryan]

If the NFHS attempts to ban the A-11, things will be set in motion.

This simple example makes things pretty clear and it will Boom nationwide for any team in the country wanting to Retain the Right to use the A-11.

Here is just one example of about 10 options being discussed, this is the Macro version, but for many years the precedent has already been set.

Example: For the most part, the high school football teams in Texas and Massachusetts play under modified NCAA rules for their own reasons, and not under NHFS rules - as do most of the other teams in the remaining 48 states and Washington, DC.

However, when a team from Texas plays a team from Oklahoma, you now have two different teams competing against each other (the games do count) even though they operate under different governing ruling bodies.

Now for another example, look at a team from Massachusetts traveling to play a team in maybe Rhode Island, again two teams competing (the games count) even though one team is under their modified NCAA rules and the other uses NFHS.

In short, IF the opportunity arises, below is one possibility that can easily happen:

1. ANY high school football team in the USA will be able to join the new Federation that allows “traditional” football and the new A-11 Offense to be played.

2. Not one single team in America will be forced to join the new Federation, nor will they be forced to alter their season schedule. The precedent has already been set and in effect for many years nationwide. Some teams will choose to always play traditional football respectively, and some teams will decide to “Retain the Right” to use the A-11 Offense if they believe it will help their program.

3. There are many other great items stemming from this. However, this brief explanation should help put things in perspective, as to just one of the options presented to us by various groups across the country.

Again, thanks for all you do, and your thoughts and opinions are very much respected.


KB

[JRutledge]

I hate to break it to you, but schools in my area are complaining about money and travel. Schools are not going to leave their local associations, to join another organization that might add to their travel or responsibility all because they "disagree" with a single rule in a sport they may or may not have much success in. Texas and Massachusetts are entire states, these are not individual schools are going it alone.

I also doubt that the one school in Illinois that was openly using this offense is going to throw out all their standing to play teams hundreds of miles away. And football is not even the crown jewel of this state.

I guess it is worth a try.

[TXMike]

Seems to me you are defeating your own purpose You wanted to be able to get into and be successful in the playoffs. Once teams join this "maverick" league they will no longer be eligible to compete in playoffs with normal schools. Example, if a Texas private school chose to be in your league, they could schedule games all year with other private and public schools in Texas but those games would all be exhibition games, just like the ones when a Oklahoma school plays a Texas school. They do not count in the standings for either team. And there has to be agreement before the game over which set of rules will be used. If schools not in your "league" refuse to play under your rules, your teams will get no games.

[KurtBryan]

Not true:

Please re-read my post above more closely.

ANY team will be able to be a part of the new Federation and play teams that do or do not elect to be a part of it.

Teams playing each other from differing governing bodies has been happening for years. Rescheduling will not need to happen, the precedent has been set.

Best of Luck.

Kb

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

Not true:

Please re-read my post above more closely.

ANY team will be able to be a part of the new Federation and play teams that do or do not elect to be a part of it.

Teams playing each other from differing governing bodies has been happening for years. Rescheduling will not need to happen, the precedent has been set.

Best of Luck.

Kb

But they will not be able to participate in state-sponsored championship tournaments. And don't think member schools are going to schedule games (or keep scheduled games) with non-member schools. That's wasting a game night (and possible injuries) on a game that will not count towards their ratings.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

Not true:

Please re-read my post above more closely.

ANY team will be able to be a part of the new Federation and play teams that do or do not elect to be a part of it.

Teams playing each other from differing governing bodies has been happening for years. Rescheduling will not need to happen, the precedent has been set.

Best of Luck.

Kb

You are right, but there are often standards. I know in my state there are regulations for who teams can play and when they can play. At one time there were travel restrictions as to how far they could play other teams in other states. It is possible (but extremely unlikely) that state associations might outlaw their members from playing in such a program. Then again, we all can dream.

Peace

[asdf]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

2. Not one single team in America will be forced to join the new Federation, nor will they be forced to alter their season schedule.

Directors of Football Operations across the country are breathing a sigh of relief upon reading that kurt bryan is not going to force them to join the kbff. (new federation)

Please add the term "great humanitarian" to your bio.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

If the NFHS attempts to ban the A-11, things will be set in motion.

This simple example makes things pretty clear and it will Boom nationwide for any team in the country wanting to Retain the Right to use the A-11.

Here is just one example of about 10 options being discussed, this is the Macro version, but for many years the precedent has already been set.

Example: For the most part, the high school football teams in Texas and Massachusetts play under modified NCAA rules for their own reasons, and not under NHFS rules - as do most of the other teams in the remaining 48 states and Washington, DC.

However, when a team from Texas plays a team from Oklahoma, you now have two different teams competing against each other (the games do count) even though they operate under different governing ruling bodies.

Now for another example, look at a team from Massachusetts traveling to play a team in maybe Rhode Island, again two teams competing (the games count) even though one team is under their modified NCAA rules and the other uses NFHS.

In short, IF the opportunity arises, below is one possibility that can easily happen:

1. ANY high school football team in the USA will be able to join the new Federation that allows “traditional” football and the new A-11 Offense to be played.

2. Not one single team in America will be forced to join the new Federation, nor will they be forced to alter their season schedule. The precedent has already been set and in effect for many years nationwide. Some teams will choose to always play traditional football respectively, and some teams will decide to “Retain the Right” to use the A-11 Offense if they believe it will help their program.

3. There are many other great items stemming from this. However, this brief explanation should help put things in perspective, as to just one of the options presented to us by various groups across the country.

Again, thanks for all you do, and your thoughts and opinions are very much respected.


KB

This sounds all well and good except for one thing - schools and ALL their sports typically belong to a state association. Schools are not going to withdraw from the state association just so they can use the A-11 in football.

Schools WANT to compete for state championships and the state associations themselves are going to have to decline using NFHS rules for football and that simply isn't going to happen. If they do adopt another rule set, it will be the NCAA ruleset that already outlaws the A-11 in most situations.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

If the NFHS attempts to ban the A-11, things will be set in motion.

This simple example makes things pretty clear and it will Boom nationwide for any team in the country wanting to Retain the Right to use the A-11.

Blah, blah, blah....
KB

When I was younger, there was a saying I heard adults utter from time to time: "Whistling past the grave yard."

Thanks for the bit of nostalgia, Kurt.

I certainly wish you the best in your new endeavor. If by chance it doesn't go quite as gloriously as you envision it, I understand Billy Mays is looking for an assistant.

Seriously though, be sure to come back and let us know which teams decided to withdraw from their state organizations and follow you into oblivion. A claim of "hundreds" won't do. Names, sir, we will need names.

[bossman72]

People making their own A-11 federation is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why would a team drop out of a state governing body to go to a new one that has NO PLAYOFFS and NO ORGANIZATION for their teams? If they did, they could be like "We're the best out of 3 teams in the whole state that run this dumb offense!"

If they didn't want to play real football, they would play 9 man where everyone is eligible. Nobody in their right mind is going to break off all their rivalries and leave their conferences to run this flash-in-the-pan offense. You had a nice little run Kurt, just give it up already!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

When I was younger, there was a saying I heard adults utter from time to time: "Whistling past the grave yard."

Thanks for the bit of nostalgia, Kurt.

I certainly wish you the best in your new endeavor. If by chance it doesn't go quite as gloriously as you envision it, I understand Billy Mays is looking for an assistant.

Seriously though, be sure to come back and let us know which teams decided to withdraw from their state organizations and follow you into oblivion. A claim of "hundreds" won't do. Names, sir, we will need names.

Tick tock.

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=911196

[Bob M.]

REPLY: From the highschool.rivals.com article posted by RichMSN:

"What the A-11 can do is have offensive players wait until the final seconds of the play clock and then take positions on the line making it difficult for the defense to know, until the last moment, which receivers are eligible."

Which is precisely why the numbering rule was put into the Federation and NCAA rules back in the early 70s: so that the defense has a reasonable opportunity to know which six offensive players are (might be) eligible. The numbering rule allows them to rule out the 50-79s.