The "Future" of the A 6 + 5

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

One of the points is, there is already a precedent for teams, areas, sections or states to do something different.

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The precedent has already been established in just this one area, and there are lots of items being presented to us.

Best of Luck,

KB

Kurt,

A-11 is not new, the youth leagues play with it all the time and officials officiate it.

Most states including California divide schools based upon attendance figures so that super size school does not play super small school.

NFHS has rules for 8 and 6 man football for those schools who for whatever reason cannot fill an eleven man squad. Know for many years Texas had such a program and one of the alumni was Dallas Cowboy QB Dandy Don Meredith.

My suggestion to you for what it is worth is play by the rules for 11-man football like them or not. There are some rules us officials do not like but we enforce them as written.

Or, see if you can enroll your school in a youth program where the A-11 lives every day at every game.

Or, rather than cry foul that other schools are bigger than Piedmont and this helps overcome that problem, drop down into an 8-team league.

I know Piedmont is an influential East Bay community and a wonderful place to live but quit trying to make everyone else subscribe to your "innovation."

Best of luck in whatever direction you take your program.

[kdf5]

Like I said in the other forum, I agree with Kurt. Go. Go now. Go quickly. Do your own thing and take your compadres with you. Go. We support your new A11 league. Go and get 'r done. Go.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbyron

"Hey everybody, the NFHS is banning the A-11, which is going to change football (even though it's illegal everywhere but high school). They're kicking us out of their club, those meanies.

"So let's form our own club, just for our friends! And we can make up stuff, and have our own rules, and it'll be really, really cool! And my mom can make grilled cheese and tomato soup for lunch, and then won't those meanies in the NFHS be sorry! Really, really sorry!!!!

"We'll show them. Meanies. [raspberry]."

We will call it...the XFL.

[bossman72]

Quick question: has the NFHS ruled on this yet (have the rule changes come out yet)?

[daggo66]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

One of the points is, there is already a precedent for teams, areas, sections or states to do something different.

You mean like when NC decided that the A-11 was illegal?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Quick question: has the NFHS ruled on this yet (have the rule changes come out yet)?

Not yet. You will surely see multiple threads when the changes are released.

[KurtBryan]

If the NFHS attempts to ban the A-11, things will be set in motion.

This simple example makes things pretty clear and it will Boom nationwide for any team in the country wanting to Retain the Right to use the A-11.

Here is just one example of about 10 options being discussed, this is the Macro version, but for many years the precedent has already been set.

Example: For the most part, the high school football teams in Texas and Massachusetts play under modified NCAA rules for their own reasons, and not under NHFS rules - as do most of the other teams in the remaining 48 states and Washington, DC.

However, when a team from Texas plays a team from Oklahoma, you now have two different teams competing against each other (the games do count) even though they operate under different governing ruling bodies.

Now for another example, look at a team from Massachusetts traveling to play a team in maybe Rhode Island, again two teams competing (the games count) even though one team is under their modified NCAA rules and the other uses NFHS.

In short, IF the opportunity arises, below is one possibility that can easily happen:

1. ANY high school football team in the USA will be able to join the new Federation that allows “traditional” football and the new A-11 Offense to be played.

2. Not one single team in America will be forced to join the new Federation, nor will they be forced to alter their season schedule. The precedent has already been set and in effect for many years nationwide. Some teams will choose to always play traditional football respectively, and some teams will decide to “Retain the Right” to use the A-11 Offense if they believe it will help their program.

3. There are many other great items stemming from this. However, this brief explanation should help put things in perspective, as to just one of the options presented to us by various groups across the country.

Again, thanks for all you do, and your thoughts and opinions are very much respected.


KB

[JRutledge]

I hate to break it to you, but schools in my area are complaining about money and travel. Schools are not going to leave their local associations, to join another organization that might add to their travel or responsibility all because they "disagree" with a single rule in a sport they may or may not have much success in. Texas and Massachusetts are entire states, these are not individual schools are going it alone.

I also doubt that the one school in Illinois that was openly using this offense is going to throw out all their standing to play teams hundreds of miles away. And football is not even the crown jewel of this state.

I guess it is worth a try.

[TXMike]

Seems to me you are defeating your own purpose You wanted to be able to get into and be successful in the playoffs. Once teams join this "maverick" league they will no longer be eligible to compete in playoffs with normal schools. Example, if a Texas private school chose to be in your league, they could schedule games all year with other private and public schools in Texas but those games would all be exhibition games, just like the ones when a Oklahoma school plays a Texas school. They do not count in the standings for either team. And there has to be agreement before the game over which set of rules will be used. If schools not in your "league" refuse to play under your rules, your teams will get no games.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

2. Not one single team in America will be forced to join the new Federation, nor will they be forced to alter their season schedule.

Directors of Football Operations across the country are breathing a sigh of relief upon reading that kurt bryan is not going to force them to join the kbff. (new federation)

Please add the term "great humanitarian" to your bio.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

If the NFHS attempts to ban the A-11, things will be set in motion.

This simple example makes things pretty clear and it will Boom nationwide for any team in the country wanting to Retain the Right to use the A-11.

Here is just one example of about 10 options being discussed, this is the Macro version, but for many years the precedent has already been set.

Example: For the most part, the high school football teams in Texas and Massachusetts play under modified NCAA rules for their own reasons, and not under NHFS rules - as do most of the other teams in the remaining 48 states and Washington, DC.

However, when a team from Texas plays a team from Oklahoma, you now have two different teams competing against each other (the games do count) even though they operate under different governing ruling bodies.

Now for another example, look at a team from Massachusetts traveling to play a team in maybe Rhode Island, again two teams competing (the games count) even though one team is under their modified NCAA rules and the other uses NFHS.

In short, IF the opportunity arises, below is one possibility that can easily happen:

1. ANY high school football team in the USA will be able to join the new Federation that allows “traditional” football and the new A-11 Offense to be played.

2. Not one single team in America will be forced to join the new Federation, nor will they be forced to alter their season schedule. The precedent has already been set and in effect for many years nationwide. Some teams will choose to always play traditional football respectively, and some teams will decide to “Retain the Right” to use the A-11 Offense if they believe it will help their program.

3. There are many other great items stemming from this. However, this brief explanation should help put things in perspective, as to just one of the options presented to us by various groups across the country.

Again, thanks for all you do, and your thoughts and opinions are very much respected.


KB

This sounds all well and good except for one thing - schools and ALL their sports typically belong to a state association. Schools are not going to withdraw from the state association just so they can use the A-11 in football.

Schools WANT to compete for state championships and the state associations themselves are going to have to decline using NFHS rules for football and that simply isn't going to happen. If they do adopt another rule set, it will be the NCAA ruleset that already outlaws the A-11 in most situations.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Not yet. You will surely see multiple threads when the changes are released.

That's something to look forward to.

[KurtBryan]

Not true:

Please re-read my post above more closely.

ANY team will be able to be a part of the new Federation and play teams that do or do not elect to be a part of it.

Teams playing each other from differing governing bodies has been happening for years. Rescheduling will not need to happen, the precedent has been set.

Best of Luck.

Kb

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That's something to look forward to.

It sounds to me that someone in that room leaked info to the A-11 faction, though, as defensively as they are already acting.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It sounds to me that someone in that room leaked info to the A-11 faction, though, as defensively as they are already acting.

Or they actually figured out what "spirit and intent" means and how it applies to the applicable rules; and thus are able to anticipate how the NFHS will respond.