Legal, Illegal, Deceptive, or any combo of the 3?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by WGGriffon

At the conclusion of a play during the dead ball period, a receiver steps off the sideline. (A) huddles up with 10 players. Referee marks the ball ready for play. (A) sends in a player giving them 11, but a player leaves the huddle and heads toward the sideline giving the appearance to (B) that he is replaced. The (A) player stops short of the sideline and remains montionless, with his back to the field. He is perpendicular to the line of scrimmage. At the snap, he releases downfield and the QB lobs a deep pass down the sideline which is caught for a TD.

Any flags?

Simulated substitution procedure. Classic "hideout" or "sleeper" play that rule was directed against.

But how about this one: same as above, but before the ball is snapped, B1 asks to use one of their remaining time outs. If it was clear because of verbal signals that the reason for the time out was because the hideout play was diagnosed, what do you do?

Looks like because both Fed & NCAA make the foul one deemed to occur as the ball is put in play, you have to grant the time out and no foul occurs.

Robert

[Scooby]

If the official catches this before the snap it can also be an Illegal Subsitution (NFHS). Right?

[Dakota]

From the Clemson-South Carolina game this past Saturday:

Junior receiver Jacoby Ford joined two teammates jogging to the sideline, then bent down to pretend to tie his shoes. Receivers coach Jeff Scott played the part, barking at Ford nearby as if he was chewing him out.

The signal was sent in — all was a go to run a trick play Clemson aptly named “Cock-a-doodle-doo” when installing it this past week.

... the result was a 50-yard touchdown catch by Ford that put Clemson ahead 17-0 with 8:33 remaining in the second quarter.

“I hadn’t seen that one since I ran it at Gaffney High School with the junior varsity,” USC defensive coordinator Ellis Johnson said. “And we scored on it, too.”

Ford went undetected along the left sideline and ran downfield uncovered at the snap.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by Scooby

If the official catches this before the snap it can also be an Illegal Subsitution (NFHS). Right?

REPLY: No, because there are only 11 on the field. The dead ball substitution infraction is for a replaced player not leaving the field immediately (meaning there are more than 11 on the field and no one attempting to get off). This guy's a player--not a replaced player.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Looks like because both Fed & NCAA make the foul one deemed to occur as the ball is put in play, you have to grant the time out and no foul occurs.

And yet, we had the big debate here about when exactly you "know" it's a foul, so you call it as soon as you see it, despite the fact they could call time out and make things right before the snap.

Just sayin'.