Legal Or Illegal

[whiskers_ump]

Study this shot...Legal or Illegal?

Great pictures....

http://www.fastpitch.it/2004%20FOTO%20A1%20BOLL-FOR.htm

[bluezebra]

That depends on two things. (1)..What rules are they using? (2)..Which team is sponsored by the Mafia?

Bob

[gtfreek]

Hard to tell if shes 21, or were you talking about the pitch?

[SRW]

Hard to tell. This may help, I couldn't read it all the way.

http://www.fastpitch.it/immagini%20j...ORLI%20234.jpg

[Little Jimmy]

All kidding aside (although the jokes were funny) I'm going legal. Pivot toe down and dragging (or at least touching) dirt. No second push that I can see.
You're right whiskers, the pictures are great. But if something is happening I'd have a tough time seeing it in real world time.

[BretMan]

It's hard to tell from the pictures, but "maybe" the pivot foot is sliding forward off the plate just prior to the hands separating.

Is that what you're getting at, Glen?

[Ed Maeder]

I'm thinking the hand may be outside the elbow, making it a sidearm delivery. Hard to tell in these pictures.

[gtfreek]

SRW, nice pic of self maybe, but no help here, unless that was the official making the call. I dont like how her arm comes across either (sidearm). Illegal

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
Study this shot...Legal or Illegal?

Great pictures....

http://www.fastpitch.it/2004%20FOTO%20A1%20BOLL-FOR.htm

They are probably playing ISF or ESF rules. It seems like there is a frame missing. The sleeve on the pitcher's throwing arm is a bit long. Cannot tell from angle, but she could be replanting when she rolls her pivot foot inside on the ball of the foot instead of the toe.

However, for what can be observed from these pictures, I would say legal.

[NorthAlaUmp]

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
Study this shot...Legal or Illegal?

Great pictures....

http://www.fastpitch.it/2004%20FOTO%20A1%20BOLL-FOR.htm

Angle's tough, but I'd say illegal. Looking at frames on left of page, third frame shows pivot foot being lifted up off the rubber (IMO). It's slight, but technically illegal.

Now the tough question: who's going to call it?

[Antonella]

Italian League: we play under ISF rules (European Softball Federation accept integrally the ISF rules).
The pitcher is Jennifer Spediacci and you can probably find stats on USA sites.
She is an italian-american pitcher.
That means she is from the USA with an italian passport.
I had many games with her on the rubber.
The only problem I had with her was when she was replanting her pivot foot BEHIND the rubber PRIOR the start of the pitch. Call a 2-3 IP and then she stopped. No problem. American pitchers here ALWAYS "test" umpires...

BTW this pitch seems LEGAL to me.
She played for the Italian National Team also during last four years. She was in Athens, too. Nobody called illegal pitches when she pitched there.

A.

P.S. Nice jokes. BTW DON'T tell anything about mafia to Italian people from the North of Italy (Forlì team is up in the North)... They don't want to have nothing to do with the South and Mafia etc.

[gtfreek]

All this said now, what the right answer whiskers? Dont be one of those that cant give what the call was/is. All this thinking and opinion will drive us crazy if we dont get the answer from you, so give it up.

[gtfreek]

All this said now, whats the right answer whiskers? Dont be one of those that cant give what the call was/is. All this thinking and opinion will drive us crazy if we dont get the answer from you, so give it up.

[whiskers_ump]

Just giving you something to look at. I did not see anything sufficiant.
Don't know ISF pitching rules. It appeared she was starting with back
foot slightly behind the slab, but "blue" had not cleaned the slab, or she had
already scrapped enough dirt up there to be hard to see. All in all, it looked
legal to me, at least to the point it was not going to be called. Slight sliding
of the pivot foot, but again hard to tell.

[gtfreek]

Is whiskers your pets name? cause your a dog man. hehehe. Its all good, bring on some more calls.