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Old Tue Nov 11, 2008, 10:58am
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At the risk of being lambasted here, I question the USC. If the kid really said "freaking", I doubt I would have anything. THat being said, the Ref seems to suffer from a dangerous duo of rules incompetency and insecurity.

One thing that may merit discussion, is coaches yelling about other teams players.

"55 is scared"

"10 is slow"

"25 is a wimp"

While I've not flagged it, it burns me up when an adult coach disparages an opposing player.
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Old Tue Nov 11, 2008, 11:55am
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A quick funny story about the word freaking. I was consulting in Virgina and I was living in Massachusetts at the time. Well I said "freaking" during a training class and was pulled aside by the manager and was told that word in the "bible areas" where I was is just like saying the actual F word and I offended people. So I guess the word can be nothing somewhere and something in other areas. I think I think I would have held that one in the pocket due to the circumstances where the coach was the first one to say something and the kid was just sort of sticking up for himself and the team and it did not sound like a taunt or anything.

As for the youth games, I work a ton of them, and there are many different people who officiate them. I work Freshman and JV games because I cannot work on Friday nights for HS, but I could work varsity if I did not have the real job that pays the bills. I work Saturday and Sunday youth games with a wide range of officials, from HS State final guys in the playoffs to former coaches who think they are gods on the field but don't know anything, the the kid just looking for a part time job. What I find is that sometimes the State Finals guys don't really do anything during the game and are sort of out of it because it is not important to them, but they don't get questioned much from the coaches because they are known. The rest of the guys like me usually don't get much crap because we have the state patch on our shirts and the coaches think we know what we are doing. The other guys usually take a beating all day and really step into it allot.

It sounds like the WH in your game just did not want to deal with the ejection and everything that comes with it (usually paperwork and what not) and was sort of going through the motions. As for not knowing the rule on the facemask, 99% of the guys who are not certified by the state most likely won't know that rule. It was new last year, and they would really not know that.

Now on a side note I was working with a guy who called a block in the back when the player was blocked at the front side, because he was told at a clinic for the youth league where he learned the rules that if the shoulder pads moved at all, then it is a block in the back. I looked at him and could not say a thing. I convinced him that was not the right call, but he kept telling me that if the shoulder pads move it is a block in the back. Wow...and that was game one of 6 that day with him and another guy who actually liked to argue with the parents and coaches on the sideline! Long day.

At least for the playoffs they use the ratings that we get to pick those games, and usually you will work with a good crew.
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Old Tue Nov 11, 2008, 08:26pm
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Here's your case book plays:

*8.2.2 SITUATION A: During (a) A9's run for a touchdown, or (b) K1's field
goal, B2 holds A1. RULING: In (a), A will likely keep the score and may choose to
enforce the foul on the try or enforce the foul on the subsequent kickoff. In (b), K
may keep the points and have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot, or
have the penalty enforced from the previous spot and replay the down. (8-4-3)

5.1.2 SITUATION C: Third and 10 for A from B’s 40-yard line. A1 gains 10 yards
and is downed on B’s 30. A2 taunts B1 during the run. RULING: Since the liveball
action gave A a new series, the line to gain shall be established after A is
penalized for A2’s unsportsmanlike act. It will be first and 10 for A from B’s 45-
yard line.
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Old Wed Nov 12, 2008, 12:36am
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I appreciate your efforts, thanks!
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