Illegal Forward Pass Ruling in MIN-GB Game

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by hawkishowl20

Is this what your talking about?
ProFootballTalk.com - PEREIRA ADDRESSES “ILLEGAL FORWARD PASS” CALL

Someone making things up is black and white?

He is saying if something is not intentional grounding and you think it is “cheap” or a “dump” you can magically disregard the rules and make it IG. Why have a rule then?

Obviously you are not an official. If you were, you'd realize that there rules and then there are intent of the rules. Because you can't possibly put every game situation into the rule book the officials have to understand the intent and the interpretation that their boss gives them. If the boss says to judge a players intent to look at the "throwing motion" then that is the way it is. If you'd look again at the video the QB wasn't looking at the receiver, it was 100% he was trying to avoid the safety. As Periera was quoted, that ball better land at the receivers feet, not 3 yards away as it did in this play.

1. Was he trying to avoid a safety by throwing the ball away. If yes, foul.
When you decide to "dump" the ball, then the rules allow you to do so as long as you are outside the tackle and throw the ball so that it lands beyond the NZ.

2. Was he legitimately trying to complete the pass. If yes, no foul.

[hawkishowl20]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

Obviously you are not an official.

Obviously you are not an official. I can point out how wrong this call is. You can wrongly defend it.
No, if a supervisor tells me to call a penalty on someone for intentionally NOT violating any rules I don’t have to listen to him. If Pereira tells me to jump off a bridge I’m not doing it. Both things are CRAZY.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by hawkishowl20

Is this what your talking about?
ProFootballTalk.com - PEREIRA ADDRESSES “ILLEGAL FORWARD PASS” CALL

Someone making things up is black and white?

He is saying if something is not intentional grounding and you think it is “cheap” or a “dump” you can magically disregard the rules and make it IG. Why have a rule then?

I agree with JasonTX: not an official. An official would realize there are interpretations, case plays, etc., beyond what is in the rulebook. If that is the interpretation, then the officials did not "magically disregard" anything.

Originally Posted by hawkishowl20

Obviously you are not an official. I can point out how wrong this call is. You can wrongly defend it.
No, if a supervisor tells me to call a penalty on someone for intentionally NOT violating any rules I don’t have to listen to him. If Pereira tells me to jump off a bridge I’m not doing it. Both things are CRAZY.

You don't have to listen to him. You also don't have to work for him.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by hawkishowl20

Obviously you are not an official. I can point out how wrong this call is. You can wrongly defend it.
No, if a supervisor tells me to call a penalty on someone for intentionally NOT violating any rules I don’t have to listen to him. If Pereira tells me to jump off a bridge I’m not doing it. Both things are CRAZY.

How can you say it's wrong, when the top official who is resposible for making sure that the officials are properly officiating the plays says it was an illegal play? Suppose all the owners / coaches on the rules committee made a statement saying it was ruled correctly. Would you still say they were wrong? It's their rules and they have every right to say if it was right or wrong. It makes no difference how we think the rule is. I give up on this post. It's been fun and I hope you didn't take anything personally. It made my day go by pretty fast.

[hawkishowl20]

Criteria of IG
1) Thrower be inside of pocket:
Not met
2) Ball land short of scrimmage line or not in vicinity of receiver:
Not met
3) Player Looked like he should have IG but didn’t:
ugghhh ugghhh ugghhh Sam Kinison ugghhh ugghhh ugghhh

[MJT]

Hawkishowl20,

This is the 2nd time I have been involved in a discussion in which you have been flat out disrespectful and arrogant to many of the posters. You are a fan, who acts just as irrational as some fans at sporting events. You do not listen to anything that many quality officials on this site say. You don't even listen when it comes from the horses mouth.

There are no "tags" for the first 63 posts on this topic and then you start in and add the tags "coach mentality, non-officials, official fanboys, pereira worshipers, pig headed." That is so disrespectful to those of us who work very hard to improve our rules knowledge and such on this site. All of your "ugghhh" words make you sound like a little kid and how they sometimes are so immature in an arguement. You should take over as the supervisor of officials in the NFL, cuz you act as if you know more than what he does.

For the second time in the past few months (and the second time ever) I will not again respond to any of your comments regarding this issue because you have lost all credibility of discussing this in a rationale way. I hope my other brethren in stripes will do the same. Maybe we will have a decent discussion in a future post, but I'm done with this one.

[Welpe]

Well someone's revealed his true colors...

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by MJT

Hawkishowl20,

This is the 2nd time I have been involved in a discussion in which you have been flat out disrespectful and arrogant to many of the posters. You are a fan, who acts just as irrational as some fans at sporting events. You do not listen to anything that many quality officials on this site say. You don't even listen when it comes from the horses mouth.

There are no "tags" for the first 63 posts on this topic and then you start in and add the tags "coach mentality, non-officials, official fanboys, pereira worshipers, pig headed."

To be fair, "coach mentality" and "non-officials" were my adds. The others were obviously his in response.

Frankly, I thought they would be more subtle than that and nobody would notice.

But, yeah, the poster in question simply does not want to listen. Best to not feed the troll.

[Brad]

hawkishowl20 -- I would change your tone and approach if you want to stick around here. You've been here two months and after reviewing your posts the majority of them seem to be antagonistic and combative.

We get enough grief on the field or the court -- we come here to discuss the games that we all enjoy and to get better as officials.

So, keep it professional and stick around or keep going with the status quo and be ejected.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Brad

So, keep it professional and stick around or keep going with the status quo and be ejected.

Brad, thanks for taking care of this! Nice edit on his post, too.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

To be fair, "coach mentality" and "non-officials" were my adds. The others were obviously his in response.

Frankly, I thought they would be more subtle than that and nobody would notice.

But, yeah, the poster in question simply does not want to listen. Best to not feed the troll.

Not all of the others were his. I added one and it wasn't meant for the majority.