Mich St/ Mich

[STEVED21]

Originally Posted by Bad Mood Risin

It was called no catch on the field. Other than hitting the pylon, nothing came down in bounds. I was rooting for Michigan and I couldnt believe it was being reviewed because it wasn't close. I was stunned by the overturn.

The sideline reporter asked MSU's coach at halftime what the explaination was from the referee and the coach said all the R told him was to please remember no official on the field called it a TD and no one on the field was responsible for that ruling. If that's true, it's quite and indictment.

That's why I asked the question. I too was stunned at the reversal.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by STEVED21

That's why I asked the question. I too was stunned at the reversal.

I thought instant replay was instituted to correct missed calls, not change correct calls.

Wonder what the conversation between the Referee and the Replay booth was like on that one?

[TXMike]

Only video I have found so far (might want to mute the volume)

YouTube - MSU vs Michigan (2008 rivalry!!) 35-21 MSU

[Brett]

Looked like his left toe tapped in but his right foot was already down OOB. Interesting overturn and more interesting explanation.

[Forksref]

That would be tough to be a WH and have your reputation affected by the decision of a hidden replay official.

At least in the NFL the WH gets to make his own decision.

[With_Two_Flakes]

We work NCAA Rules here in the UK.

My understanding is that,

If a runner with possession of the ball dives for the pylon and the ball hits the pylon - TD. The pylon is in the EZ and OOB. I guess the philosophy is that the ball breaks the plane of the GL before being OOB.

If a player gets the ball while he is airborne, then the catch is not complete until he comes down inbounds (and maintains possession of the ball). If the player comes down and first contact is with the pylon, then he is OOB. I guess the philosophy difference from the running play example is that the airborne receiver does not have possession when he breaks the plane.

I've watched the (poor quality YouTube) film and the FJ was in a good position to rule on it, and I think he got it right. Not sure what rationale the Reply booth might have had to overrule the FJ. Perhaps the BigTen will make a statement subsequently.

[TXMike]

Did not take long. From the Detroit Free Press:

Big Ten commish calls pylon ruling 'not acceptable'; punishment possible
By SHANNON SHELTON • FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER • October 26, 2008


PARK RIDGE, Ill. — Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said the decision by a replay official to award Michigan’s Brandon Minor with a touchdown against Michigan State on Saturday, overruling the on-field referee’s call, was “not acceptable.”


“The people in the replay booth made a mistake,” Delany said while meeting with reporters at the conference’s basketball media day Sunday. “It wasn’t a mistake of judgment; it was a mistake of an application of the rule. They applied the wrong rule and they applied it improperly.”

Minor leaped to make a 19-yard catch from Steven Threet and landed out of bounds, causing the on-field referee to rule the play incomplete. The replay official overturned the call, saying Minor’s foot hit the pylon. According to NCAA rules, however, an airborne player that touches a pylon is considered out of bounds.

The touchdown tied the game at 7-7 in the first quarter, but ultimately didn’t affect the game’s outcome. MSU won, 35-21, at Michigan Stadium.

“I expect more from them than that,” Delany said. “You can understand a mistake of judgment on the field, and you can even understand possibly not getting the standard right because we want indisputable video evidence that a play is wrong. But to apply the wrong rule to a situation is not acceptable to me.”

Delany said disciplinary action was possible.

“I haven’t decided yet, but we may,” he said. “I doubt if we do anything publicly, but there has to be an understanding that we expect on the field and in the booth 100% knowledge of the rules, applying the right rule to the right situation. You might make a mistake in terms of judgment, but I expect our officials to know the rules and apply the right rule to the right situation. We didn’t do that, and that’s not acceptable.”

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Did not take long. From the Detroit Free Press:

Big Ten commish calls pylon ruling 'not acceptable'; punishment possible
By SHANNON SHELTON • FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER • October 26, 2008


PARK RIDGE, Ill. — Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said the decision by a replay official to award Michigan’s Brandon Minor with a touchdown against Michigan State on Saturday, overruling the on-field referee’s call, was “not acceptable.”


“The people in the replay booth made a mistake,” Delany said while meeting with reporters at the conference’s basketball media day Sunday. “It wasn’t a mistake of judgment; it was a mistake of an application of the rule. They applied the wrong rule and they applied it improperly.”

Minor leaped to make a 19-yard catch from Steven Threet and landed out of bounds, causing the on-field referee to rule the play incomplete. The replay official overturned the call, saying Minor’s foot hit the pylon. According to NCAA rules, however, an airborne player that touches a pylon is considered out of bounds.

The touchdown tied the game at 7-7 in the first quarter, but ultimately didn’t affect the game’s outcome. MSU won, 35-21, at Michigan Stadium.

“I expect more from them than that,” Delany said. “You can understand a mistake of judgment on the field, and you can even understand possibly not getting the standard right because we want indisputable video evidence that a play is wrong. But to apply the wrong rule to a situation is not acceptable to me.”

Delany said disciplinary action was possible.

“I haven’t decided yet, but we may,” he said. “I doubt if we do anything publicly, but there has to be an understanding that we expect on the field and in the booth 100% knowledge of the rules, applying the right rule to the right situation. You might make a mistake in terms of judgment, but I expect our officials to know the rules and apply the right rule to the right situation. We didn’t do that, and that’s not acceptable.”

So the replay official cannot be overruled on a rules' interpretation by the 7 officials on the field? Kudos to the Referee in this game for letting everyone know what the guys on the field thought.

It is one thing to slow down the play and look for feet in bounds, etc.
It is quite another to blow a rule.

[TussAgee11]

Just from a fan's perspective lurking over here from baseball...

The college replay system is seriously whack. They review the most useless things most of the time, it slows the game down too much, and by not allowing your white hat to make his own decision you run into crap like this.

If R really knew what the IR guy saw, and knew the rule he was applying was wrong, would anybody have a problem if he went against the IR and made the call he knew was right? He must of known it was dead wrong if he admitted it to HC...

Peace