The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Football
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 07, 2008, 07:13pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The 503
Posts: 785
+1, Ed. Very nicely put.

Add: I followed the link against my better judgment. Same old fanboy whining.

Last edited by SethPDX; Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 07:20pm.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 07, 2008, 08:25pm
MJT MJT is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Alton, Iowa
Posts: 1,796
Those fan boards show how absolutely stupid some people are. "I sent him one saying that I hoped he swallowed a bug." He says that and has a picture of doom for his signature. What a moron!!!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 07, 2008, 10:10pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 762
I think it's time for another NFL officials strike to show these fanboys that the game can't be played without officials.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Wed Oct 08, 2008, 07:19pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Great Britain
Posts: 244
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJT View Post
Those fan boards show how absolutely stupid some people are.
Indeed. Lets not forget these are fans who live in a huge country (3,794,066 sq miles) yet dumb enough to choose to live in the few square miles that are 10 feet below sea level.

To get serious for a moment, it was likely Ed's Line Judge who missed that F/M call. According to the NFL crew lists in the October issue of Referee magazine, he is an NFL rookie. How do you suppose he feels? Not the quiet easy 1st NFL season he was hoping for, I suspect. With the angle he was looking at the play he may never have seen it, but the TV camera sees it perfectly from their angle and the officials get crucified.
__________________
Sorry Death, you lose.... It was Professor Plum!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Wed Oct 08, 2008, 10:30pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 30,575
Quote:
Originally Posted by With_Two_Flakes View Post
Indeed. Lets not forget these are fans who live in a huge country (3,794,066 sq miles) yet dumb enough to choose to live in the few square miles that are 10 feet below sea level.

To get serious for a moment, it was likely Ed's Line Judge who missed that F/M call. According to the NFL crew lists in the October issue of Referee magazine, he is an NFL rookie. How do you suppose he feels? Not the quiet easy 1st NFL season he was hoping for, I suspect. With the angle he was looking at the play he may never have seen it, but the TV camera sees it perfectly from their angle and the officials get crucified.
It is more than the Line Judge. A deep wing could have seen that. An umpire under the right situation could see this. I could even see the Back Judge getting this under the right circumstances. And one again, the rule in place allows for a facemask to be grabbed and not called if the official did not deem it intentional. I still think that part might have been a factor in the rule. The average public does not know that and this is why you get the comments you see that Ed was dealing with. Even Ed was blamed the previous week for a missed call on a roughing the passer call which helmet to helmet contact was a factor. I believe the player was fined by the NFL, but the media made it seem like it was a call that was not there. The media cannot even get things right in the election, I guess asking them to go through the facts in a game is a little much.

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Wed Oct 08, 2008, 10:18am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 923
Quote:
Originally Posted by SethPDX View Post
+1, Ed. Very nicely put.

Add: I followed the link against my better judgment. Same old fanboy whining.
I made the same mistake. That's 30 minutes of my life I won't get back. Ed (or whoever wrote the e-mail) maybe did come across as condescending by referring to "educated" fans. The problem is most fans think they are educated but they are not. I love giving friends and co-workers situations and seeing how they fail miserably. They don't realize how little they know the rules and how well the NFL guys do. There were not nearly as many bad calls in that game as they claim. If there were (probably the face mask penalty), the officials who missed them will get downgraded on those calls.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Wed Oct 08, 2008, 10:50am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,593
Perhaps the best advice I've ever received, long ago, was to totally ignore anything that fans say, because nothing they say makes any difference or matters. You can never win an argument with a fool.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed Oct 08, 2008, 10:59am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 923
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajmc View Post
Perhaps the best advice I've ever received, long ago, was to totally ignore anything that fans say, because nothing they say makes any difference or matters. You can never win an argument with a fool.
Another quote I've heard (not necessarily applicable in this context but still funny) is "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." These fans aren't idiots. They just don't know what they don't know. And they are fans which makes them biased and see things the way they want to see them.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed Oct 08, 2008, 11:42am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 7,620
Or: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt." (A. Lincoln)
__________________
Cheers,
mb
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed Oct 08, 2008, 12:26pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 1,023
One that one of my very first instructors in the art of officiating always used was, "Silence can't be quoted."

I can feel Ed's pain - we've all felt it. It's frustrating to endure the slings and arrows of the uninformed. Many times I'm sure we've ALL wished we could just shut the coach or the parent or the fan up.

All that said, this may have been half a foot over the line on Hochuli's part and I would imagine that if he actually DID write that, he'll be reminded that, while it's admirable to own up to mistakes and to take the time to respond to people who write, it may not always be the best policy.
__________________
"And I'm not just some fan, I've refereed football and basketball in addition to all the baseball I've umpired. I've never made a call that horrible in my life in any sport."---Greatest. Official. Ever.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Long Time Lurker, First Time Poster SoInZebra Basketball 122 Mon Mar 26, 2007 04:10pm
the time displayed as post time is way off chuck chopper General / Off-Topic 2 Wed Mar 29, 2006 02:09pm
time expired/time outs cloverdale Basketball 14 Tue Feb 15, 2005 01:06am
Another long time listener, first time caller Fifth And Goal Basketball 11 Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:30am
When is it time to call Time / Dead ball? Deion Softball 1 Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:50am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:20pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1