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Agreed. No back can EVER block below the waist without a flag
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If it was under NFHS rules however, the previous statements are true. cheers, tro |
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I was not attempting to undercut the previous posters to show how much more I know than they. I live 900 miles from Texas (and twice that far from Mass.), and through the miracle of cable tv, was able to watch my first 5A Texas High School game a few years ago. Sometime in the first quarter (after a wing official signaled "uncatchable") I realized they were using NCAA rules. The original poster, like myself, has a short history in this forum, and I was attempting to address this issue (watching a texas hs game on cable). If I choose to assume that everyone is fully aware that tx uses ncaa, i could also assume that everyone should be fully aware that under fed, a back can never cut block anyone, anywhere. cheers, tro Last edited by trocared; Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:30am. |
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Secondly I think if you want to write for “the entire internet,” then say that is what your answer is based on. Other than that most people try to stay within the topic that is being discussed. Nothing wrong with referencing other levels (I do it often), but most people here are not referring to NCAA Rules when discussing things they see in a game. And we usually know who the people are from Texas and they clarify they are not using NF rules. Peace
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Wrong! Ever is a not always true. The initial contact can begin above the waist and while still in contact with the defender can slide down and and can eventually block below the waist.
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SECTION 3 BLOCKING ART. 7 Blocking below the waist is making initial contact below the waist from the front or side against an opponent other than a runner. Blocking below the waist applies only when the opponent has one or both feet on the ground. (emphasis added) |
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A block below the waist occurs when initial contact occurs below the waist. It's always illegal when done by a back. Let's not complicate things, whatcha say? ![]()
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Have to respectfully disagree with you sir. If action described above is not considered blocking what do you have?? If the initial block begins above the waist and the blocking continues below the waist..I have to call that blocking in book. And legal of course. Whatcha say?
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2-3-7 Blocking below the waist IS making initial contact below the waist from the front or side against an opponent other than a runner. Rochesterref wrote, "No back can EVER block below the waist without a flag." He knows what the definition of blocking below the waist IS. What you described does not meet 2-3-7, is not BBW, and is not what the discussion is about. That is why he is correct and you are wrong. No back can legally ever do what is described in 2-3-7, block below the waist. Here endeth the lesson. ![]()
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Thanks for all the posts.
1)Sorry about the preposition ‘on’ in the phrase “on the guard” ‘behind’ is more accurate. 2)Game not in Texas or Massachusetts. 3)It wasn’t a “usual” kick-out block in that they didn’t need to move the defender; they just needed him not to close down the hole. 4)I didn’t see this, but I think he must have been quickly ‘popping’ the defender above the waist before cutting him. That would make sense; I didn’t have the best look at it being on the sideline (bad angle) or behind the end zone (long distance). It just didn’t look right and now I’m pretty sure that was what was happening. |
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