block?

[Troward]

just reading NFHS 10.6.1E and wanted to clarify.

A1 is guarded by B1 who is in a legal guarding position with his feet set. A1 beats by B1 by stepping arround him and getting his head & shoulders past the defender. A1's trailing foot catches B1's outside foot which is still planted on the floor. A1 falls to the floor and loses the ball to team B. So A1 was triped but B1 has not moved from his legal position.
Is this a block? charge? no call?

thanks again
GTW

[stripes]

No call. Defender didn't foul A1. Just bad luck.

[F C E]

Read 4-7-2b! We were all ways taught that if the dribbler got his head and shoulders past the torso of the defensive player, then contact is the responsibility of the defensive player.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by F C E
Read 4-7-2b! We were all ways taught that if the dribbler got his head and shoulders past the torso of the defensive player, then contact is the responsibility of the defensive player.

Maybe, B1 had obtained/established a legal guarding position and never moved. B1 cannot be quilty of a foul because he is within his cylinder of verticality.

[LarryS]

Sorry F C E, I can't see calling a block on this one. Defender isn't moving, dribbler trips due to his own inability to avoid a stationary object...I got nuttin.

I can't think of too many cases where a player standing perfectly still can be called for a foul. Unless, of course, he/she are moving the lips...then maybe a T.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by F C E
Read 4-7-2b! We were all ways taught that if the dribbler got his head and shoulders past the torso of the defensive player, then contact is the responsibility of the defensive player.

While it is usually the responsibility of the defender, there are several very common situations where it is not. This is a perfect example of textbook incidental contact. No judgement needed. Once the dribbler get's head and shoulder past the torso, the defender loses the right to move laterally and the priviledge of verticality, he doesn't lose the right to be in his spot.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

While it is usually the responsibility of the defender, there are several very common situations where it is not. This is a perfect example of textbook incidental contact. No judgement needed. Once the dribbler get's head and shoulder past the torso, the defender loses the right to move laterally and the priviledge of verticality, he doesn't lose the right to be in his spot.

Camron,

If the defender has not lost his right to be in his spot, then he has not lost his cylinder of verticality.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by F C E
Read 4-7-2b! We were all ways taught that if the dribbler got his head and shoulders past the torso of the defensive player, then contact is the responsibility of the defensive player.

You were taught wrong.

The defense bears *greater* responsibility, but not absolute responsibility.

[APHP]

If a defensive player remains in a legal guarding position, verticiality does not end just because the offensive player moves.

[crew]

play on

[Camron Rust]

SECTION 44 VERTICALITYVerticality applies to a legal position. The basic components of the principle of verticality are:
ART. 1 . . . Legal guarding position must be obtained initially and movement thereafter must be legal.
ART. 2 . . . From this position, the defender may rise or jump vertically and occupy the space within his/her vertical plane.
ART. 3 . . . The hands and arms of the defender may be raised within his/her vertical plane while on the floor or in the air.
ART. 4 . . . The defender should not be penalized for leaving the floor vertically or having his/her hands and arms extended within his/her vertical plane.


As I read this, the ability the legally jump (verticality) is available only when in a legal guarding position. If the defender loses legal guarding position, they lose the freedom of movement (lateral or vertical) at the point of contact. They own the space they are in, always. But they can not extend their space in any direction.