Little help

daggo66 · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 15, 2008, 01:40pm

Robert, when you're on the field and this happens, it's very obvious the coach is not simply mistaken.

#2 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 15, 2008, 01:50pm

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Originally Posted by daggo66

Robert, when you're on the field and this happens, it's very obvious the coach is not simply mistaken.

Especially when you counted/signaled 11 prior to the BS unfolding. It was so rehearsed

So whether it's IP or USC the result is the same, 15 yrds & repeat the down?

daggo66 · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 15, 2008, 01:54pm

USC, even when it occurs during a play, is always administered as a dead ball foul.

#4 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 15, 2008, 01:57pm

Thanks for the clarifications, I appreciate it!

Mike L · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 15, 2008, 03:35pm

So some choose to use the "snap is not imminent" rule (a USC) rather than the pretended substitution rule (a IP)?

Bullycon · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Sep 21, 2008, 09:23pm

First-year official here, but allow me to cast my vote for the illegal participation. This is covered by Rule 9-6-4d.

The Case Book example referenced above doesn't fit this play as well as this rule does. Rule 9-9-1 applies to "an unfair act which has no specific rule coverage." This play has rule coverage.

Live ball foul. 15 yards from previous spot.

Forksref · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 22, 2008, 12:10am

I wouldn't call IP because you had 11 players and he never left the field and came back in.

You won't know of the deceit until after the snap and he cuts upfield. Then I would have USC. You flag the USC but why stop the play? You wouldn't stop it if someone dropped the F-bomb on you during a play. What happens if the pass is intercepted?