San Diego/Denver

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Do you mind starting a poll?

As long as the fanboys posing as real officials don't get a vote......

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

Go figure. According to the records the ruling on the field was a fumble and a San Diego recovery challenged by replay.

After replay it was ruled an incomplete pass. The system worked albeit not for San Diego.

Better review the records.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know this is a minor issue, but from my understanding they are only downgraded for bad plays. If they get a play right or they use the proper mechanics or positioning, they do not get an "upgrade." I will ask in a couple of weeks to be sure when I will see at least two NFL Officials at an association function.

That would be great.

Here's what I was going by, a passage from Markbreit's second book (which is really the first book with some new material):

Later, the supervisors reviewed the game films and graded me on all my calls. They grade every call from 1 to 7. A routine call is a 5, a good call a 6, an outstanding call a 7. In 224 games that year, maybe they gave out three 7's. That Monday, when Commissioner Pete Rozelle reviewed the play, I heard that he asked a supervisor in the league office, "What grade did Markbreit get on that call?" The supervisor said, "He got a 7." Rozelle said, "Is that all?"

This was in the aftermath of the Charles Martin/Jim McMahon situation in 1986, so as that was 22 years ago, they may have changed the format since then. But that's what I was going by.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No, you're not. You're a whiny, run-of-the-mall standard-issue fanboy masquerading as an official, just like SanDiegoSteve. There's major differences, one being that real officials don't want any part of fanboy-officials. That's because we're afraid to turn our backs on 'em.

Sorry, but there it is......

Nice to see an esteemed member rise up from the peanut gallery.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fljet

The amount of time the media has spent on this deal proves

This right here proves you're not an official; at least not an official who's done more than 5 games above the YMCA level.

Your Honor, I rest my case.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by fljet

The amount of time the media has spent on this deal proves how bad the chargers got screwed

Every time I try to prove something about officiating I always think to myself "how much time has the media spent on this deal?"

[lpneck]

Basketball official here delurking...

I keep seeing the phrase "inadvertant whistle" thrown around. It wasn't an inadvertant whistle, right? He simply ruled it an incomplete pass, which would REQUIRE that he blows his whistle.

Am I missing something?

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by lpneck

Basketball official here delurking...

I keep seeing the phrase "inadvertant whistle" thrown around. It wasn't an inadvertant whistle, right? He simply ruled it an incomplete pass, which would REQUIRE that he blows his whistle.

Am I missing something?

Yes, it was ruled an incomplete pass by the R. I don't think that the IW signal was given in the Dever or Dallas games.

Also blowing the whistle is not required when the down ends (runner is tackeled, incomplete pass), some downs do not have a whistle after them.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by welpe

nice to see an esteemed member rise up from the peanut gallery. :d

Grin......

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by lpneck

Basketball official here delurking...

I keep seeing the phrase "inadvertant whistle" thrown around. It wasn't an inadvertant whistle, right? He simply ruled it an incomplete pass, which would REQUIRE that he blows his whistle.

Am I missing something?

Yes it was ruled in inadvertent whistle. This is why they put the ball on the 10 yard line instead of the previous spot or original line of scrimmage.

Peace

[lpneck]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes it was ruled in inadvertent whistle. This is why they put the ball on the 10 yard line instead of the previous spot or original line of scrimmage.

Peace

I think I get it... he ORIGINALLY thought he was ruling an incomplete pass, but then they reviewed it, and he realized it SHOULD have been a fumble, so that changed his whistle for the incomplete pass into an IW, and changed the spot.

Sorry, I'm like 4 days behind.

JRut- enjoyed working basketball last year, hope we get to do it again in the future... (We had a great game at a D2 school where we nailed a few calls at the end. I had the one with :01 left against the home team...)

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by lpneck

I think I get it... he ORIGINALLY thought he was ruling an incomplete pass, but then they reviewed it, and he realized it SHOULD have been a fumble, so that changed his whistle for the incomplete pass into an IW, and changed the spot.

Correct. That's how I've looked at it as well. This wasn't your typical IW where an official created the situation by being too quick on his whistle. It only became an IW because of what happened in replay. A similar play in the HS game would be if the LJ came in to tell the R the ball actually went backwards and he got it wrong. In that case the result would also be an IW.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by lpneck

JRut- enjoyed working basketball last year, hope we get to do it again in the future... (We had a great game at a D2 school where we nailed a few calls at the end. I had the one with :01 left against the home team...)

An interesting day to say the least.

Peace

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes it was ruled in inadvertent whistle. This is why they put the ball on the 10 yard line instead of the previous spot or original line of scrimmage.

Peace

Not to split hairs here but.....

according to an NFL official friend who I talked to, the whistle should have nothing to do with the play.

Hochuli made the mistake of announcing to the crowd that "the play should have been ruled a fumble. By rule, the ball is dead when it hits the ground because the whistle was blown."

My friend told me, "The judgment of the play being an "incomplete pass" caused the ball to be dead, not the whistle. If the pass is ruled incomplete then the ball is dead when it hits the ground." On that play, the whistle has no bearing when the ball is dead.

NFL VP of Officiating, Mike Pereira, has told his Referees (white caps) at clinics to not use the word "whistle" when explaining a call to the crowd. Hochuli may have been flustered (as any of us might have) by his incorrect judgment and forgot what Pereria instructed not to say to the crowd.

[JRutledge]

I do not know who your friend is and honestly it is irrelevant. According to what Pereira said on several media outlets, it must have meant something. And if it did not mean anything, why put the ball back where the play was killed? Either you are misunderstanding your friend or Pereira is purposely deceiving the public. I will just ask one of the people that were on the game when I get a chance.

Peace