NFL Stripes

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The change was not because of attention. The change was a result to have a uniform that could not be duplicated without their permission. For example the many beer commercials and other ads that essentially mocked the league's officials.

I thought Pereira downplayed that aspect of it at the time, but I admit I can't find where he might have said that.

Regardless, they've taken a timeless, classic look and made it clownish (two years ago) and now even moreso (with the black stripe).

Speaking strictly as an NFL fan, I think it's cluttered and unnecessary and the design is uninspired and cartoonish.

Speaking as an official, when it comes right down to it, though, JRut, you're 100% correct - I'll wear whatever they want me to wear, especially if it's on a Sunday in the NFL.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

I thought Pereira downplayed that aspect of it at the time, but I admit I can't find where he might have said that.

That was the explanation that I gave you, came directly from a current NFL Official when he spoke to an association I belong to (I am also a member of the association that he belongs to as well). I am sure the NFL told the staff the reasoning for why the uniform change. I have no idea if that was the only reason, just the one I heard.

Peace

[Texas Aggie]

the NFL has had these pants for about 2 years now

This is correct. I saw these pants 2 years ago at a meeting and even commented on how awful they looked then!

The change was a result to have a uniform that could not be duplicated without their permission.

First of all, its pretty difficult, if not impossible, to trademark a "look." You can easily trademark a logo or other "mark," but not a stripe running down your pants. Also, it isn't like its that difficult to copy a stripe. Finally, commercials have already copied the shirt -- at least somewhat. At a glance, its difficult to tell the difference between the actual shirt and one copied for a commercial.

I agree with the OP. Whether the intent is to draw attention to themselves, that's what they've done with the recent uniform changes. The shirts are no big deal, but the various pants and knickers changes are absurd. Go back to the white knickers and change the shirts as needed every few years.

[Texas Aggie]

For officials with large legs the black pants are far more comfortable and provide more options on cold days.

The actual pant is simply the Honigs elite knickers that are full length. There isn't anything more comfortable about it, except for the fact that you don't have to wear the traditional socks like we wear. The fit is essentially the same. About the only advantage on a cold day is being able to wear whatever black socks you want -- including wool socks if they work or are allowed. Other than that, you can layer just as easily with the knickers.

I personally, don't like the look of the pants in football, but I will concede the advantage of no striped socks (which I hate) and the pant does better with mud than the white knicks.

[ajmc]

I also recall the suggestion that the NFL shirt was redesigned, and trademarked, partially because of commercials referencing officials. The NFL had zero control over the use of the traditional black and white striped shirt because it's a standard used in so many venues.

Creating a unique design, and trademarking it, gives the league control over which commercials may use the likeness. I presume the NFL requires stiff fees as well as editorial control over content and presentation for the use of their design in any commercial effort.

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

the comments by writers about the officials coming in the same little car have started already....

[IceGator8]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

The actual pant is simply the Honigs elite knickers that are full length. There isn't anything more comfortable about it, except for the fact that you don't have to wear the traditional socks like we wear. The fit is essentially the same. About the only advantage on a cold day is being able to wear whatever black socks you want -- including wool socks if they work or are allowed. Other than that, you can layer just as easily with the knickers.

I personally, don't like the look of the pants in football, but I will concede the advantage of no striped socks (which I hate) and the pant does better with mud than the white knicks.

I was under the impression that the pants are made by Reebok and fit more like sweat pants rather than knickers. They certainly do not look like they fit like knickers in the legs.

[Texas Aggie]

The fit may be a bit different due to the way the pant is cut, but unless they've changed the pant from the one I saw, its simply a long Honigs Elite knicker.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

The fit may be a bit different due to the way the pant is cut, but unless they've changed the pant from the one I saw, its simply a long Honigs Elite knicker.

The pants might be modeled after another brand, but Reebok is responsible for all the new uniform designs.

Peace

[IceGator8]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

The fit may be a bit different due to the way the pant is cut, but unless they've changed the pant from the one I saw, its simply a long Honigs Elite knicker.

I don't know if I buy this. I've seen the pant on some of the bigger officials and it seems like they have much more room than an elongated elite knicker would provide.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

First of all, its pretty difficult, if not impossible, to trademark a "look."

I don't know, Harley-Davidson trademarked the sound of their motorcycles.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That was the explanation that I gave you, came directly from a current NFL Official when he spoke to an association I belong to (I am also a member of the association that he belongs to as well). I am sure the NFL told the staff the reasoning for why the uniform change. I have no idea if that was the only reason, just the one I heard.

JR, you know I love ya, so don't get defensive. I have no doubt that many different people say many different things. I was just saying that I thought I remembered Pereira (which makes it "official" - moreso than a current NFL official saying it at an association meeting) downplaying that aspect of it. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he never did downplay it or never did address it.

But it wouldn't be surprising if that was part of the reasoning. It also wouldn't be surprising if the NFL wanted to "officially" give the impression that it was above such mundane considerations, and that the timing of the redesign, right after a major beer company's season-long campaign featuring guys in traditional stripes, was a complete coincidence.

BTW, say hey to everybody in FVFO for me. Miss 'em. It's hot here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

JR, you know I love ya, so don't get defensive. I have no doubt that many different people say many different things. I was just saying that I thought I remembered Pereira (which makes it "official" - moreso than a current NFL official saying it at an association meeting) downplaying that aspect of it. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he never did downplay it or never did address it.

I really do not even know what you are disagreeing with. And personally I do not see this as a major issue. I just know what was told to someone and what they repeated. It does not mean much to me why or how this uniform came about. I am sure the NFL took many different positions on this because they did get some crap about these uniforms and especially from the officiating community.

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

But it wouldn't be surprising if that was part of the reasoning. It also wouldn't be surprising if the NFL wanted to "officially" give the impression that it was above such mundane considerations, and that the timing of the redesign, right after a major beer company's season-long campaign featuring guys in traditional stripes, was a complete coincidence.

Once again, I was just repeating what was told to a room full of people. That does not mean that was the actual reason or that there was not more behind the story. I can tell you I feel the NFL does not care what we think though. And even if the officials do not like it, I do not know anyone retiring as a result.

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

BTW, say hey to everybody in FVFO for me. Miss 'em. It's hot here.

We have a meeting tonight. I will do my best to get that message out. Hope things are going well where you are at.

Peace

[OverAndBack]

I wasn't disagreeing with you at all, Jeff. I was just asking the question.

This is why you're so beloved here, my man. Even when someone loves ya, you gotta be right all the time.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

I wasn't disagreeing with you at all, Jeff. I was just asking the question.

This is why you're so beloved here, my man. Even when someone loves ya, you gotta be right all the time.

I at a loss for why what this conversation has to do with being right or wrong. We are sharing opinions and those opinions have different perspectives. This is a discussion board right? It is not like we are talking about how to settle the energy crisis. We are talking about a uniforms in a league that most of us will never get the opportunity to ever work. There are a billion people in China that do not care right now. I know beyond the time I am taking to comment on this thread, I personally have more things I am concerned with than what some officials in a league I will likely never work wear. I just know if I were to work it, I would not be complaining.

Peace