Forum for Officials on A-11 Offense Now Open

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all if you read all his posts on the two boards (NF and this board); he never took his offense to the NF directly. He only took this to his state and possibly local associations.

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

* What is critical to remember during these discussions, is that we took the time (more than a year) to research, submit, discuss, explain and diligently review everything we had developed in writing with the NFHS and CIF. Not only were those powers-that-be great and very keen, but they also knew this might be a potentially groundbreaking new system.

What did I miss, Jeff?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

What did I miss, Jeff?

First of all he said he went to the CIF on another site and got approval with them. He never mentioned the NF directly other than claiming the CIF said the there was nothing illegal by NF rules.

Secondly the rules are clear, going to the NF and getting a letter is not going to change the rule that already exists. And if you read the other board, many people clearly stated how legal this was. And what is the NF going to say, do not use it? This is a completely legal offense under their rules.

I am even skeptical that he had anything in writing from the NF at all. But then again, he is trying to sell something so if you want to take his word for it, be my guest. But I do not know why this is a commendable thing. The NF is over around 48 states and do not have direct jurisdiction over this school and the offense.

Peace

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all he said he went to the CIF on another site and got approval with them. He never mentioned the NF directly other than claiming the CIF said the there was nothing illegal by NF rules.

I disagree. He clearly states that he went to the NFHS.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Secondly the rules are clear, going to the NF and getting a letter is not going to change the rule that already exists. And if you read the other board, many people clearly stated how legal this was. And what is the NF going to say, do not use it? This is a completely legal offense under their rules.

Why did he go to the NFHS? I do not know. However, I routinely get coaches asking my interpretation on situations in my pre-game coaches meeting.

I can see that if a coach comes up with a system that seems to be radically different, instead of talking to little old me, s/he takes the concerns directly to the rulesmakers.

If the offense is legal, what other interp is there to why he went to the NFHS other than due diligence?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am even skeptical that he had anything in writing from the NF at all. But then again, he is trying to sell something so if you want to take his word for it, be my guest. But I do not know why this is a commendable thing. The NF is over around 48 states and do not have direct jurisdiction over this school and the offense.

I am not sure what this means.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I disagree. He clearly states that he went to the NFHS.

So what? You obviously do not understand the role of the NF. A state can make a much more restrictive rule despite what the NF does. My state has done this a couple of times with NF rules because they wanted to stop certain actions. The NF is only as good as states that support them. They do not even have power like the NCAA.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Why did he go to the NFHS? I do not know. However, I routinely get coaches asking my interpretation on situations in my pre-game coaches meeting.

I also do not know why. And I also do not completely buy the statement because he tried to make it sound like he has some special approval from the NF before, and it was revealed that he really did not have this so-called "approval." Also I have never heard of anyone getting that kind of approval in the first place. Maybe they do give approval, but usually the states are responsible for the rulings on things from specific states.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I can see that if a coach comes up with a system that seems to be radically different, instead of talking to little old me, s/he takes the concerns directly to the rulesmakers.

If the offense is legal, what other interp is there to why he went to the NFHS other than due diligence?

I do not know how things work up north and what they do in your country. But the NF is made up of states that decide to maintain membership. For example Texas does not go under the membership of the NF. Or a better example is Iowa has two different state associations. One if for the girl's sports, the other is for the boy's sports. I know at one time Softball in Iowa had a completely different rulebook. So if he goes directly to the NF means nothing. It is possible other states might change their rules and not allow this offense because they feel it is deceptive (which is within their right to do so). The NF is not all knowing about powerful.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I am not sure what this means.

Let me put it this way. I do not believe him unless he shows the actual letter. And even if he shows the letter, so freakin what? It does not change the fact that the NF might find a way to change the rule. The NF changes rules every year to create a balance in the rules or they adopt rules from other levels.

Peace

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am even skeptical that he had anything in writing from the NF at all. But then again, he is trying to sell something so if you want to take his word for it, be my guest. But I do not know why this is a commendable thing. The NF is over around 48 states and do not have direct jurisdiction over this school and the offense.

Jeff,

I raised the question of his claim that he contacted FED. Actually, I didn't question his claim. Rather, I stated that he 'alleged' to have contacted NFHS and CIF. He replied by telling me I was being immature.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Jeff,

I raised the question of his claim that he contacted FED. Actually, I didn't question his claim. Rather, I stated that he 'alleged' to have contacted NFHS and CIF. He replied by telling me I was being immature.

And that is why I do not believe him or see how contacting either organization makes a difference. I contact my state organization all the time; it does not mean that just because they give me a ruling, there will not be a ruling that will change in the future. I definitely see your point.

Peace