A-11 Offense ??

[goldenwings68]

Bob--I do not count the initial position to be the huddle----once breaking the huddle or coming in after the huddle, the rule states that anyone in under the exception must assume a position on his LOS between the ends---

This formation does not have any players from 50-79 in on the field and they are there for every play--so where is the exception?

I do not know if they use a huddle, but the fact remains they all line up, except a center, in the backfield off the LOS and then X-number of them move.shift onto the LOS between two ends.

To me, the exception rule was not created for this purpose and everyone here knows that, plain and simple----the exception rule was brought into play to give the punting team a chance to put in some faster, more agile players into the game to go down under a punt, not create an offense where there are only players wearing eligible numbers none of them are really there to assume a position under the exception.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by goldenwings68

Bob--I do not count the initial position to be the huddle----once breaking the huddle or coming in after the huddle, the rule states that anyone in under the exception must assume a position on his LOS between the ends---

You don't have to count the huddle, because the rule only takes effect for a player once that player assumes a position on the line. That's "an initial position on his line". The player could hop all over the place before that, setting here & there, but only if and when that player sets on the line does he get that mental tag.

Robert

[goldenwings68]

The exception rule states that when a player comes in the game as a replacement for a teammate who wears 50-79, under the rule, he then becomes a replacement for that player and his position and therefore, he is an interior linesman and cannot be hopping all over the field waiting to decide where he will light---as this A-11 offense does.

They have 11 players with eligible numbers in on every play----where is the exception? And which player is in for which player?

Naw--the offense is in my humble opinion, illegal--------

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by goldenwings68

The exception rule states that when a player comes in the game as a replacement for a teammate who wears 50-79, under the rule, he then becomes a replacement for that player and his position and therefore, he is an interior linesman and cannot be hopping all over the field waiting to decide where he will light---as this A-11 offense does.

Sorry GW68 but your interpretation is wrong. Never heard of anyone with such an interp.

[goldenwings68]

My interpt??????

Rule 7, Section 2, Art 5b.....Exception: When A sets or shiefts into a scrimmage-kick formation any A player numbered 1-49 or 80-99 MAY TAKE THE POSITION of any A player numbered 50 to 79. A player IN THE GAME under this EXCEPTION----MUST assume an initial position on his line of scrimmage between the ends and he REMAINS an ineligible forward-pass receiver during that down unless the pass is touched by B.

So, in my opinion, if 23, 24, 25, 26, 27 come in for 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, they then have to be on the line between the ends----but according to this formation, those five players join the other six, say numbered, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 as the offensive team for that play and the next play, and the next, etc, and each play, a different set of numbers go on the line and others remain the eligible players---thus, who are the players in as the exception players?

How many plays can you do back to back under the exception before it is no longer an exception, but the rule?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by goldenwings68

My interpt??????

Rule 7, Section 2, Art 5b.....Exception: When A sets or shifts into a scrimmage-kick formation any A player numbered 1-49 or 80-99 MAY TAKE THE POSITION of any A player numbered 50 to 79. A player IN THE GAME under this EXCEPTION----MUST assume an initial position on his line of scrimmage between the ends and he REMAINS an ineligible forward-pass receiver during that down unless the pass is touched by B.

You'd better read that rule again, particularly the part that says "ANY A player numbered" and "MAY take the position."

When 23, 24, 25, 26, and 27 come into the game, they are NOT REQUIRED to take the positions of 50, 51, 52, 53, and 53. They MAY take those positions or any of the 11 players in the game at that point MAY take those positions.

Further, the POSITION only applies to their final position on the LOS.

Sorry partner. Your interp of the rule doesn't hold water.

[goldenwings68]

NO---The rule is stating that the coach MAY replace any player numbered 50-79 with any player numbered 1-49 or 80-99 and if the coach does do this in a SKF, he is using the Exception part of Rule 7, Section 2, Art 5--the rule then states that a player in under that exception, let me quote the rule here---"A player in the game under this exception MUST assume an initial position on his LOS between the ends...."

There are normally 5 players in the game wearing 50-79, the interior line, all inelgible receivers---this offense, takes those five guys out of the game, replaces them with five guys wearing 1-49 or 80-99, all eligible, thus making 11 eligible receivers in the game---Now, as the rule states, those in the game under the exception, you know, those that replaced those five offensive linemen, are supposed to assume a position on their LOS between the ends---now, on one play, they might, but on another only a couple do and a couple more of the other eligibles assumne those positions, and on the next, another group of them do---now, no one has left the field during this series and on each play, a different set of guys became lineman--The original rule, the exception was designed for the coach to replace a few interior linemen with more agile type players on a scrimmage kick situation to go down under the punt----

This is not happening here in this offense--the exception is no longer the exception and has become the rule due to bending of the rule and officials not following the spirit nor intent of the rule. In other words, there is no longer a replacement of players wearing 50-79 by players wearing 1-49 or 80-99 because no one ever came into the game wearing 50-79 to be replaced by a player wearing 1-49 or 80-99 and they are not punting on those plays---

Again, you can say I am messed up here, but you know and I know, this is a giant bending of the rule and becoming a gross miscarriage of fair play/sportsmanship.