PSU/Purdue Big Ten Officials may be Fired

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Correct; at least not in this case. It doesn't affect public safety. I don't see what good it does either. How about this:

Does your employer publish a news article when you make a mistake?

You are going to have to come to grips with the fact that officials' mistakes happen in front of millions of people. The integrity of the sport depends on players and fans knowing the officials are the best the league can employ.

A coach with a losing record is also no threat to public safety, but when he gets fired it usually is published and broadcast to the world.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

You are going to have to come to grips with the fact that officials' mistakes happen in front of millions of people. The integrity of the sport depends on players and fans knowing the officials are the best the league can employ.

A coach with a losing record is also no threat to public safety, but when he gets fired it usually is published and broadcast to the world.

Ya thanks bud. Thanks for explaining it to me.

[PSU213]

I had a varsity game on Sat. so I was forced to watch the game on tape. First let me say--Joe Tiller has a history of whining big time (almost to the level of Joe Paterno!), so I would take what he says with a grain of salt.

The potential TD (ruled incomplete) that was mentioned looked like a TD to me on replay. It was never reviewed by the booth (plus Purdue has a challange at their disposal). ESPN only showed 1 or 2 replays on TV, but I feel it was fair to say that it could have gone either way.

As for the foward progress situation...here the officials were 100% correct. A5 catches the ball while moving back toward the original LOS. Gets 1 or 2 feet inbounds, steps OOB about 2 yards back (toward the LOS) from where A5 first touched the ball. Textbook case of forward progress ending in bounds. LJ correctly spots where he completed the catch (i.e. first touched the ground with the ball) and winds the clock. The TV guys on ESPN said the call was terrible, said it needed to be looked at upstairs, and went so far as to call the LJ by name (a point that really ticked me off considering he made the right call...but then again, they were interested in hearing themselves talk and creating some sort of controversy...plus Andre Ware knows everything, ha!).

[Texas Aggie]

A5 catches the ball while moving back toward the original LOS. Gets 1 or 2 feet inbounds, steps OOB about 2 yards back (toward the LOS) from where A5 first touched the ball. Textbook case of forward progress ending in bounds. LJ correctly spots where he completed the catch (i.e. first touched the ground with the ball) and winds the clock.

From this description, that's not forward progress if he's "moving back toward the LOS". The ball should be spotted where he stepped out of bounds, not where you say his forward progress was if he wasn't forced back by a defender. Thus, he went out of bounds on his own, and the clock should be stopped.

[TXMike]

Originally Posted by PSU213

I had a varsity game on Sat. so I was forced to watch the game on tape. First let me say--Joe Tiller has a history of whining big time (almost to the level of Joe Paterno!), so I would take what he says with a grain of salt.

The potential TD (ruled incomplete) that was mentioned looked like a TD to me on replay. It was never reviewed by the booth (plus Purdue has a challange at their disposal). ESPN only showed 1 or 2 replays on TV, but I feel it was fair to say that it could have gone either way.

As for the foward progress situation...here the officials were 100% correct. A5 catches the ball while moving back toward the original LOS. Gets 1 or 2 feet inbounds, steps OOB about 2 yards back (toward the LOS) from where A5 first touched the ball. Textbook case of forward progress ending in bounds. LJ correctly spots where he completed the catch (i.e. first touched the ground with the ball) and winds the clock. The TV guys on ESPN said the call was terrible, said it needed to be looked at upstairs, and went so far as to call the LJ by name (a point that really ticked me off considering he made the right call...but then again, they were interested in hearing themselves talk and creating some sort of controversy...plus Andre Ware knows everything, ha!).

Wha choo talking 'bout Willis???

That is not the NCAA ruling (don't have a clue about Fed) No contact caused him to go backwards, no forward progress.

[Kirby]

TXMike,

That would not be a FED ruling either.

[johnSandlin]

I agree with comment that was posted about officials making mistakes, and you need to move on.

However, two of the officials on the crew in question have struggled the past few years in the Big Ten.

This crew worked the Michigan/Minnesota game this year and there were a couple of things that I noticed in that game that got both coaches kinda bothered.

I also noticed a couple of things yesterday during the Ohio State/Illinois game they were doing that made me wonder at times.

[Bob M.]

REPLY: The same would be true in Federation. Forward progress can only be ruled when a player's movement toward his opponent's goal line is involuntarily stopped by an opponnent. Going backward of one's own volition is never reason to blow the ball dead or award progress in advance of the dead ball spot. Clock should have stopped in the PSU/Purdue game.

[Niner]

Everyone here in Illinois thinks they finally got the good end of blown calls.

[BktBallRef]

Only 3 flags in the OSU-Illnois game? WOW!

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Niner

Everyone here in Illinois thinks they finally got the good end of blown calls.

Speak for yourself...

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by PSU213

I had a varsity game on Sat. so I was forced to watch the game on tape. First let me say--Joe Tiller has a history of whining big time (almost to the level of Joe Paterno!), so I would take what he says with a grain of salt.

The potential TD (ruled incomplete) that was mentioned looked like a TD to me on replay. It was never reviewed by the booth (plus Purdue has a challange at their disposal). ESPN only showed 1 or 2 replays on TV, but I feel it was fair to say that it could have gone either way.

As for the foward progress situation...here the officials were 100% correct. A5 catches the ball while moving back toward the original LOS. Gets 1 or 2 feet inbounds, steps OOB about 2 yards back (toward the LOS) from where A5 first touched the ball. Textbook case of forward progress ending in bounds. LJ correctly spots where he completed the catch (i.e. first touched the ground with the ball) and winds the clock. The TV guys on ESPN said the call was terrible, said it needed to be looked at upstairs, and went so far as to call the LJ by name (a point that really ticked me off considering he made the right call...but then again, they were interested in hearing themselves talk and creating some sort of controversy...plus Andre Ware knows everything, ha!).

Maybe you could give us a rule citation(NCAA) that would support you on why the clock should not have been stopped?

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by GarthB

That has nothing to do with the idiotic practice of publicly notifying a crew that they will all be suspended and some fired and then sending them out expecting them to do a great job with teams, coaches and fans all knowing the details.

They either should have waited to announce the punishments or suspended them immediately.

And they sent the crew to the Ohio State-Illinois game. At least they went to a game that meant nothing, eh?

[Sonofanump]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

And they sent the crew to the Ohio State-Illinois game. At least they went to a game that meant nothing, eh?

There was a fumble on a long run in the first quarter that was ruled down. Apparently replay was not working (technical difficulties) and the call was not overturned. I thought that I heard a whistle before the OSU defender recovered the "fumble".

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Sonofanump

There was a fumble on a long run in the first quarter that was ruled down. Apparently replay was not working (technical difficulties) and the call was not overturned. I thought that I heard a whistle before the OSU defender recovered the "fumble".

Look. No one from OSU is arguing that the call had anything to do with the outcome of the game.

Yet a couple of questions beg to be asked.

How could officials at the highest level of college football blow such an
obvious call?

But more important, if instant replay is supposed to make sure the calls are correct how did it fail to do so in this case? (and scores of others over the last few years)

If instant replay is not one hundred per cent fool proof why have it at all?