Distance Penalty Declined Enforcement Spot Question

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by CO ump

You CANNOT accept a penalty and decline the "distance" which goes with the penalty...As I said before, when you accept the penalty, you accept the enforcement spot plus the prescribed distance for the penalty. You can't have one without the other.
When you decline we play on as if there had been no foul.

REPLY: In NCAA rules, you're correct, but you're not correct under Federation rules. In Federation rules, the offended team is most certainly allowed to accept the penalty but not have the yardage assessed. Take a look at Case Book play 10.1.1 Situation B. Yardage is the only element of a penalty that a team is allowed to decline separately. Replay of a down, loss of down, automatic first down are other elements of a penalty that cannot be declined without declining the whole penalty.

[CO ump]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: In NCAA rules, you're correct, but you're not correct under Federation rules. In Federation rules, the offended team is most certainly allowed to accept the penalty but not have the yardage assessed. Take a look at Case Book play 10.1.1 Situation B. Yardage is the only element of a penalty that a team is allowed to decline separately. Replay of a down, loss of down, automatic first down are other elements of a penalty that cannot be declined without declining the whole penalty.

Bob,

I don't have my case book with me, but I may be eating crow on this one.

I have never offered a penalty less distance nor have I had it requested.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by CO ump

...I have never offered a penalty less distance nor have I had it requested.

REPLY: ...and you probably never will. However, it is allowed by a sentence within NF 10-1-1: "The distance penalty for any foul may be declined. "

[CO ump]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: ...and you probably never will. However, it is allowed by a sentence within NF 10-1-1: "The distance penalty for any foul may be declined. "

My apologies.

I was 100% SURE I was right. Good thing it never came up.
I dang sure would of sold it hard though

[Jim D]

4th & goal from the 3. K kicks from the middle of the field and makes it but the right end holds at the 5 over by the right hash mark. R accepts the penalty but declines the distance. Do we have 4th & goal from the 5 at the right hash?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jim D

4th & goal from the 3. K kicks from the middle of the field and makes it but the right end holds at the 5 over by the right hash mark. R accepts the penalty but declines the distance. Do we have 4th & goal from the 5 at the right hash?

CANADIAN RULING:

All penalties applied from the LS are applied from the same spot as the previous play.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by Jim D

4th & goal from the 3. K kicks from the middle of the field and makes it but the right end holds at the 5 over by the right hash mark. R accepts the penalty but declines the distance. Do we have 4th & goal from the 5 at the right hash?

REPLY: That's what I think. It's simply a 0-yard penalty. But many disagree with me and want to place the ball at the basic spot (previous spot in this play). Who knows? And the Fed certainly isn't saying.