PSU vs ND game question

Suudy · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Sep 14, 2007, 07:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by raiderfan

I don't know the NCAA rules ( I am fairly new at NFHS ) but isn't this a good example of Post Scrimage Kick? The ball was surely past the line of scrimage when the foul occured, so the Receiving team would keep the ball.

As I understand it, there are 4 conditions for PSK:

1) The kick must cross the NZ (which you note that it does)
2) The foul by R must occur before the kick ends
3) The foul by R must be beyond the NZ
4) R must have the ball at the end of the down (or be next to put the ball in play)

In your original play, the foul by R occurred behind the NZ, thus PSK does not apply. So if a personal foul (not roughing) is accepted by K, shouldn't it be assessed from the spot of the foul and an automatic 1st down, still K's ball?

DJ_NV · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Sep 14, 2007, 09:13am

You are right that if ND was on defense and this was a live-ball foul that occurred before the end of the kick, then this is NOT as PSK foul. However, the BS for this would be the previous spot + an auto. 1st down for the PF, so it would be a 15 yard penalty and auto. 1st from the PS, not the spot of the foul.

If it happened during the runback, then it would be 15 back from the end of the run but ND would get to keep the ball.

Suudy · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Sep 14, 2007, 10:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ_NV

You are right that if ND was on defense and this was a live-ball foul that occurred before the end of the kick, then this is NOT as PSK foul. However, the BS for this would be the previous spot + an auto. 1st down for the PF, so it would be a 15 yard penalty and auto. 1st from the PS, not the spot of the foul.

If it happened during the runback, then it would be 15 back from the end of the run but ND would get to keep the ball.

My bad. A loose ball play obviously, since the kick isn't over.

PSU213 · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 17, 2007, 01:12pm

It was ruled a dead ball foul. I was at the game, but did not see the entire timing of it (i.e. before or after the end of the play), but the flag appeared around the same time that the runner was downed. Either way, it was announced and signaled as a DBF.

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