I don't understand the new NFHS rule

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Not True in Ohio, we have been told that once you accept a penalty on the TD that is the one enforced on the KO. If there is another LB foul on the try it is disregarded! This comes directly from OHSAA!

We had a long discussion about this Friday. I know what most states want in this situation, but do you think anyone has really explained the ramifications?

OK, we have a 15-yard face mask against B on a TD scoring play. A is going to kick for the try, enforcing the 15 yard face mask on the kickoff.

What's to stop B from taking a free shot at the center, kicker, or holder or committing any other live ball penalty?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

We had a long discussion about this Friday. I know what most states want in this situation, but do you think anyone has really explained the ramifications?

OK, we have a 15-yard face mask against B on a TD scoring play. A is going to kick for the try, enforcing the 15 yard face mask on the kickoff.

What's to stop B from taking a free shot at the center, kicker, or holder or committing any other live ball penalty?

Actually this is not what the NF has put out so far. Now your state might take a different stance or interpretation but they do not get to carry over several fouls to a kickoff. The rule might change next year, but once there is the scoring team accepts an option, they cannot take two options to the kick off. So what BJ says applies across the board and in the rulebook at this point.

So B gets a free shot. Not sure I like that, but that is the way it is right now.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually this is not what the NF has put out so far. Now your state might take a different stance or interpretation but they do not get to carry over several fouls to a kickoff. The rule might change next year, but once there is the scoring team accepts an option, they cannot take two options to the kick off. So what BJ says applies across the board and in the rulebook at this point.

So B gets a free shot. Not sure I like that, but that is the way it is right now.

Peace

But isn't a "free shot at the holder, etc" a liveball foul penalized as a dead ball foul? Thus allowing you to penalize the first liveball foul normally and then tack on the dead ball foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

But isn't a "free shot at the holder, etc" a liveball foul penalized as a dead ball foul? Thus allowing you to penalize the first liveball foul normally and then tack on the dead ball foul.

No. Roughing the kicker is not a dead ball foul, so why is roughing the holder?

And dead ball fouls are enforced just like any other dead ball penalty. You do not get an option; you apply only to the succeeding spot.

I fully feel they will change this rule next year because of this obvious hole in the rule.

Peace

[Mike L]

Although I would be VERY careful about applying it, one could use the flagrant foul rule on an obvious "free" try penalty like being discussed here. Yep, the offended won't get any additional yardage out of it, but the offender would be done for the night and around here that would also mean he's done for at least the following week as well.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by Mike L

Although I would be VERY careful about applying it, one could use the flagrant foul rule on an obvious "free" try penalty like being discussed here. Yep, the offended won't get any additional yardage out of it, but the offender would be done for the night and around here that would also mean he's done for at least the following week as well.

Another possibility is the kick is missed or blocked thus giving K another shot at the try. Still not fair though if the kick is good.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

We had a long discussion about this Friday. I know what most states want in this situation, but do you think anyone has really explained the ramifications?

OK, we have a 15-yard face mask against B on a TD scoring play. A is going to kick for the try, enforcing the 15 yard face mask on the kickoff.

What's to stop B from taking a free shot at the center, kicker, or holder or committing any other live ball penalty?

Exactly. I expect the case play to be changed next year.