Twist on 8-2-2

[Daryl H. Long]

Originally Posted by KWH

Consider this play:
After an two unsportsmanlike penalties have been enforced against A the try is from the 33 yard line.
A1 throws a forward pass to a wide open A2 who catchs the ball on the B-15 yard line, after making the catch A2 high steps for 5 yards points the ball at defender B66 and then dives into the endzone from the 2 yard line with no defender in close proximity.
RULING: The two point try is good. The unsporsmanlike conduct penalty by A2 will be enforced from the succeeding spot. The kickoff or the start of overtime.

There are limitations to 8-2-2. They all apply to the end of a half (2Q and 4Q).

The foul can NEVER be carried over to 2nd Half or Overtime if the foul occurred on the last timed down of the half.

See Situation 5 in 2007-08 NFHS Football Rules Interpretations on NF website.

The ruling given is what the Rules committee intended but I admit that better terminology is needed than what is currently written to support the ruling. Rule 3-3 needs specific guidelines to determine whether or not to extend the period in light of 8-2-2. If that is what KWH meant by his in his post then I wholeheartedly agree.

[KWH]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

There are limitations to 8-2-2. They all apply to the end of a half (2Q and 4Q).

The foul can NEVER be carried over to 2nd Half or Overtime if the foul occurred on the last timed down of the half.

See Situation 5 in 2007-08 NFHS Football Rules Interpretations on NF website.

The ruling given is what the Rules committee intended but I admit that better terminology is needed than what is currently written to support the ruling. Rule 3-3 needs specific guidelines to determine whether or not to extend the period in light of 8-2-2. If that is what KWH meant by his in his post then I wholeheartedly agree.

Yes, that is exactly what I was saying, AND,

Restated, under the current 2007 NFHS rules, if, during the last timed down of ANY period, a live ball foul is committed by the opponent of the touchdown-scoring team, and the penalty is accepted, the penalty must be enforced either on the try, or the period must be extended for an untimed kickoff.

And furthermore, there is NEVER a situation where, if, during the last timed down of ANY period, a live ball foul is committed by the opponent of the touchdown-scoring team, and the penalty is accepted, that the penalty may be carried over to the next period or the start of OT. There is no current rule support to ever allow this option!

My 2 cents

[andy1033]

Only one is a foul by defense on a good fg. The period is not extended for this..

[KWH]

Originally Posted by andy1033

Only one is a foul by defense on a good fg. The period is not extended for this..

Andy-
If you read my post is both cases I refer (as does rule 8-2-2) to fouls by the opponent of the touchdown-scoring team

I have yet to see a "good fg" on a touchdown-scoring play!

However, yes, you are correct in that fouls listed in 3-3-4 are excluded from period extension procedures...

[wisref2]

What I'd like to know is this. Why is it up to us to figure all this out?

All of these interpretations should have been put out as part of the communications of the rule change. Frankly, I don't think the Federation understood the real implications of what seemed to be a pretty easy, and good, rule change.

Heck, this wasn't even covered at our rules interpretation meeting. They just skipped over it saying it was pretty simple.

Reminds me of the basketball change a few years ago redefining player control to include during an interrupted dribble. The Federation never realized that made it possible to call a timeout as the ball was rolling down the floor!

At the time, I suggested that they form an advisory committee of active officials (there are few, if any, actual officials on the rules committee) to review their changes to identify things like this.

It's unacceptable for this type of thing to happen. They've set us up for failure because, unfortunately, very few officials actually participate in these kinds of forums. They just go out on Friday and work a game and don't even realize what this rule really means.

Rant over.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by wisref2

At the time, I suggested that they form an advisory committee of active officials (there are few, if any, actual officials on the rules committee) to review their changes to identify things like this.

Doesn't always work. I know a league that had current officials and retired players on such an advisory committee, but when it came time to write the actual rule book, the league shoved them aside and turned out the worst P.O.S. of a rule book for football I'd ever seen.

Robert