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[golfnref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I was referring to fbwhitehat's post that a team can only choose to receive or choose a goal.

They can also choose to kick. Choosing a goal does not automatically equate to kicking the ball.

I am replying to your post which stated there were three options. There are only two options:
1. Kick or receive
2. Defend a goal

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by golfnref

I am replying to your post which stated there were three options. There are only two options:
1. Kick or receive
2. Defend a goal

THREE options. Kick, Receive, or Defend a Goal.

Bob

[golfnref]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

THREE options. Kick, Receive, or Defend a Goal.

Bob

Look at Roy Gardner's post on Feb. 26. He quoted the NFL rule.

Specifically, it is in Rule 4, Section 2, Article 1. Toss of Coin

The last sentence of the rule states: The winner of the toss must choose one of two privileges and the loser is given the other. The two privileges are:

(a) which team is to receive; or

(b) the goal his team will defend.

[Bob M.]

REPLY: We really need to get some substantive discussion going on this board. Arguing over semantics isn't really productive IMHO. I see what the NFL Rule Book says, but has anyone ever heard an R on mike ask the winner, "Which team do you want to receive?" No...he asks the winner what he wants to do. So even though the rule book says there are two choices, in practicality, the winner is offered one of three choices. Let's move on...

[NickelDeuce]

No kidding. We would sit in here and argue about this for two more pages. Who cares??

[wwcfoa43]

If we are arguing semantics then depending what you call a "choice" there are either TWO or FOUR choices (but not three):

One definition would have TWO choices:

1. Kick or receive.
2. Defend this end or that end.

The other definition would have FOUR choices:

1. Kick
2. Receive
3. Defend this end.
4. Defend that end.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by wwcfoa43

If we are arguing semantics then depending what you call a "choice" there are either TWO or FOUR choices (but not three):

One definition would have TWO choices:

1. Kick or receive.
2. Defend this end or that end.

The other definition would have FOUR choices:

1. Kick
2. Receive
3. Defend this end.
4. Defend that end.

We wish we weren't arguing semantics. This was a 2 post thread if ever there was one. 18 posts? Absurd.

[SC Ump]

Originally Posted by wwcfoa43

The other definition would have FOUR choices:

1. Kick
2. Receive
3. Defend this end.
4. Defend that end.

As I pondered your koan, I wondered about the captains other choices: his breakfast that morning, regular or high-test and should he ask the cheerleader for her number even though he is married.

Perhaps that's why the rule book offers that he has two "privileges". His choices seem to be unlimited.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by golfnref

The last sentence of the rule states: The winner of the toss must choose one of two privileges and the loser is given the other. The two privileges are:

(a) which team is to receive; or

(b) the goal his team will defend.

Only b/c the pertinent basketball seasons are over for me and I have plenty of time to nitpick.

The rule says: (a) Receive or kick or (b) Goal his team will defend.

[golfnref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Only b/c the pertinent basketball seasons are over for me and I have plenty of time to nitpick.

The rule says: (a) Receive or kick or (b) Goal his team will defend.

My quote was from the NFL Rule Book. What is your source?

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by golfnref

Look at Roy Gardner's post on Feb. 26. He quoted the NFL rule.

Specifically, it is in Rule 4, Section 2, Article 1. Toss of Coin

The last sentence of the rule states: The winner of the toss must choose one of two privileges and the loser is given the other. The two privileges are:

(a) which team is to receive; or

(b) the goal his team will defend.

Does not the referee ask, "Do you want to kick, receive, or defend a goal"?

Bob

[Bob M.]

REPLY: Actually in the NFL, the R really never gets a chance to ask anything. The winner just tells him what they want, normally, "We'll take the ball." Then he looks at the other guy who points to the goal he wants to defend. And we're done...hopefully here as well!

[FredFan7]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: Actually in the NFL, the R really never gets a chance to ask anything. The winner just tells him what they want, normally, "We'll take the ball." Then he looks at the other guy who points to the goal he wants to defend.

The R is lucky if when he turns the loser of the toss is still there. Usually the losing captain gives some half hearted point in the direction of the goal they want to defend, and runs off. The captains never "line up" like in college or HS for the referee to make the final announcement. I guess the NFL players are big boys who don't need to be lined up anymore, but call me old school on this one.

In one OT last year Ron Winter tossed the coin, declared the winner, looked to the captain who gave the "receive" signal, turned and ran off the field. Winter turned to the other captain who had already run off the field and had to shout to him to get the goal option.

I need a life I know, but this is a real pet peeve of mine at the NFL level.