Thanks To Reggie Bush

[The Roamin' Umpire]

Originally Posted by Sonofanump

I thought that this thread was going to thank Reggie Bush for the increase of USC on scoring plays next year.

Remember in NFHS and NCAA live ball foul treated as a dead ball foul.

NFHS on the try.
NCAA, on try or KO.

Now if we could only get it changed to a "real" live-ball foul. Take points off the board and see just how fast this crap stops.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by The Roamin' Umpire

Now if we could only get it changed to a "real" live-ball foul. Take points off the board and see just how fast this crap stops.

This "crap" isn't going to stop. This is the NFL, which is ENTERTAINMENT first and sport, second. And... the Bears didn't need any motivation, not when the S'aints have 4 turnovers. The better team won.

[ABoselli]

First a taunt, then a flip into the end zone, then a dance.

Yep - that's football.

Without that kind of stuff, nobody would watch the NFL. Nobody watches college football anymore since they took it out.

[Bob M.]

REPLY: Local newspaper reported that several Bears players were pretty ticked off at Bush's antics calling it "bush-league" (yeah, no-kidding) and "disrespectful" especially for a player whose team was losing. Some looked at practically: When asked what he thought of Bush's pointing/flip/dance, Brian Uerlacher responded, "Well, we're going to the Super Bowl...he isn't." Article also quoted Bush saying that "his emotions got the better of him" and that it was a "mistake on his part." He also apologized to his coach and his teammates--not the Bears. Now the $64,000 question...if the same situation presents itself in his first game next season, will he respond the same way???

[bluezebra]

The NFL DOES have a rule regarding taunting.

RULE 12 Article 1..(b) The use of baiting or taunting acts or words that engender ill will between teams.

Penalty: (a), (b), and (c): Loss of 15 yards from succeeding spot or whatever spot the Referee, after consulting withthe crew, deems equitable.

One of these days, a "hot-dogger" will do a flip into the end zone, land wrong, and break his neck and/or his back.

Also, when his team mates leap onto his back, and pile on him, the same result will happen.

Bob

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

The NFL DOES have a rule regarding taunting.

RULE 12 Article 1..(b) The use of baiting or taunting acts or words that engender ill will between teams.

Penalty: (a), (b), and (c): Loss of 15 yards from succeeding spot or whatever spot the Referee, after consulting withthe crew, deems equitable.

One of these days, a "hot-dogger" will do a flip into the end zone, land wrong, and break his neck and/or his back.

Also, when his team mates leap onto his back, and pile on him, the same result will happen.

Bob

The issue is not just if there is a rule for taunting and baiting, but it is how the rule is applied. Just because you think this is taunting, it does not mean it fits the interpretation of the NFL and must be penalized. It is clear they allow things in the NFL that would never be allowed at other levels. But they penalize very specific actions like using the ball as a prop during a celebration.

Peace

[Bob M.]

REPLY: Actually saw a "taunting" foul (announced that way) called in an NFL game a few weeks ago. Don't remember the game, but I think it was the last regular season game. Offender (defensive back) got into the receiver's face yelling and pointing after knocking down a pass. It does happen...

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

One of these days, a "hot-dogger" will do a flip into the end zone, land wrong, and break his neck and/or his back.

Isn't this what happened to the Univ. of Oklahoma QB this season? Peterson, I think. The Ok/BSU bowl game was his first game in about 3 months because he did a flip or a dive or something into the endzone and broke his collarbone.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Isn't this what happened to the Univ. of Oklahoma QB this season? Peterson, I think. The Ok/BSU bowl game was his first game in about 3 months because he did a flip or a dive or something into the endzone and broke his collarbone.

Ah, no.

Peterson was a running back (not a QB) and he dove into the EZ with players hanging on him in the process. He did not do a flip or outrun a lot of players and taunt them. Actually Peterson's effort was normal and more of a freak accident. You cannot even equate the two incidents. Both were great plays, but Peterson was surrounded by defenders and lunged into the EZ. Bush beat the entire Bears Defense and had enough speed to run completely away and then had time to flip into the EZ.

Peace

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by ABoselli

First a taunt, then a flip into the end zone, then a dance.

Yep - that's football.

Without that kind of stuff, nobody would watch the NFL. Nobody watches college football anymore since they took it out.

That's why some universities have 100,000 in attendance at their games. And, if nobody watches NCAA football on TV, would the networks spend multi-millions of dollars to televise the games? And have sponsors standing in line to pay for commercials?

Bob

[The Roamin' Umpire]

Originally Posted by Forksref

This "crap" isn't going to stop. This is the NFL, which is ENTERTAINMENT first and sport, second. And... the Bears didn't need any motivation, not when the S'aints have 4 turnovers. The better team won.

Sorry, I didn't make my remarks clear - in the NFL, they can do whatever they want. It's a business, and all of the players are also businessmen. If they want to put their assets (i.e. their body) at risk by pulling stunts like that, so be it.

I'm aiming for youth sports, where moves like that have no place, in my opinion. At that level, I'd very much like to see a rule change making most USC a live-ball foul.

[Ed Hickland]

The NFL finally gave Bush a $5,000 fine not for his flip but for his pointing.

That amounts to a mere pittance out of Bush's contract.

Still have to wonder why the officials did not give him a 15-yarder right then and there.

[NickelDeuce]

The NFL players cannot do whatever they want. In this play, it was legal for him to flip and then dance. However, it was not legal for him to taunt. He should have been flagged for taunting.