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Nit picking on a field goal question
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SECTION 4. Field Goal How Scored ARTICLE 1. a. A field goal shall be scored for the kicking team if a drop kick or place kick passes over the crossbar between the uprights of the receiving team’s goal before it touches a player of the kicking team or the ground. The kick shall be a scrimmage kick but may not be a free kick. b. If a legal field goal attempt passes over the crossbar between the uprights and is dead beyond the end line or is blown back but does not return over the crossbar and is dead anywhere, it shall score a field goal. The crossbar and uprights are treated as a line, not a plane, in determining forward progress of the ball. NFHS..... 8-4-1. A field goal shall be scored as follows... c. The kicked ball shall pass between the vertical uprights or the inside of the uprights extended and above the crossbar of the opponents goal. The NFHS casebook 8.4.1A-b says... The field goal attempt (b) is clearly over the crossbar between the uprights. RULING: It is a legal field goal. ************************ My question is this. Are these two rules saying different things? Or do they both mean that the entire ball has to go past the crossbar or does just part of the ball have to be over the crossbar? In another situation concerning avoiding safety's a team must get the entire ball out of the end zone. What principle is applied here? The entire ball or just part of the ball? Picking nits I guess but it's one of those once in a lifetime plays that you still have to be ready for. |
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Case Book play 8-4-1-a's language implies that it is to be treated the same as a ball in possession breaking the plane of the goal line, so any part of the ball breaking the plane of the crossbar between the uprights would be considered a successful field goal.
..."it is an unsuccessful attempt because the ball did not penetrate the plane of the goal between the inside of the uprights extended." On a side note - the way that NCAA rule reads, a ball that is blown back over the crossbar and between the uprights after passing through that area is not a successful try/field goal. Interesting. Last edited by HawkeyeCubP; Mon Nov 06, 2006 at 05:55pm. |
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I'll bite on this one.
I have no idea what the answer is but I would rule that the entire ball must pass the entire crossbar for the FG to be good. My logic in this is that you could have the ball hit the crossbar (happens all the time) with part of it "through" the goal (the ball is bigger than the bar plus it's a funny shape, remember) and bounce back into the end zone. Imagine the ball coming to rest (balancing) on the crossbar with one point beyond it and one over the end zone then falling back into the end zone. I would never rule this to be good- would you?? For your safety question the entire ball must be entirely in the field of play to avoid the safety. If any part of the ball is over any part of the goal line it is in the end zone- same for touchdown as it is for safety. Last edited by AndrewMcCarthy; Mon Nov 06, 2006 at 06:02pm. |
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All the rule says is the ball as to pass between them. You don't pass between them unless you have gone beyond these planes. The case book then provides an interpretation, highly unlikely in my opinion of a ball that has passed beyond and is blow back as being good. I can accept that. However, I see no way by rule can you rule that a FG would is good if it hits any of the goal posts and rebounds into the EZ as the ball was never (fully)past these planes. I much prefer the NCAA description and intrepretations even on a wind situation. |
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I'll vote for the entire ball passing between the uprights for the kick to be good. Someone posted link to a play last season that showed a long field goal attempt that hit the cross bar and bounced straight up and back onto the crossbar 3 times before falling into the end zone. I don't think anyone claimed that the kick should have been good.
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Look at the language in Case Book play 8-4-1-a and in Rule 8-2-1-a - they both use the word "penetrate." It's the same principle, with regard to the ball and the related plane, for scoring a touchdown and a successful field goal or try. |
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Rule 8-4-1c states that the ball "shall pass between the vertical uprights ... and above the crossbar" "Pass" is the important word here - meaning 'to move in a path so as to approach and continue beyond something'. A ball bouncing on a crossbar has not continued beyond it.
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