field goal or try

[MRD]

does the entire ball have to be inside of the inner plane of the upright on a try or field goal, Obviously, this would occur when the kick is ABOVE the uprights. Some of the crew says that only a portion of the ball must be inside the inner plane, one says more has to be in than out, I say the entire ball has to be in,,, none of us know for sure.

[ljudge]

Your interpretation is correct. The entire ball must be inside the uprights extended.

[RoyGardner]

NCAA and NF are the same for this. The entire ball must be inside the goalpost extended on a play where during FG attempt is above the upright.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RoyGardner

NCAA and NF are the same for this. The entire ball must be inside the goalpost extended on a play where during FG attempt is above the upright.

And let's be honest -- you could call this EITHER way

[RoyGardner]

As with most of what we do, it's a judgement call.

[MJT]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

And let's be honest -- you could call this EITHER way

I hope not Rich. If you see the ball go "over" the upright, you'd better call it no good.

[Forksref]

Imagine the upright extending indefinitely up. A ball that is not entirely inside it will hit it and not make it over the horizontal bar. Imagine that a ball that is over the upright would hit the upright.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MJT

I hope not Rich. If you see the ball go "over" the upright, you'd better call it no good.

If I'm the R and working 4-man, I'd call it good every single time.

[Ref inSoCA]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

If I'm the R and working 4-man, I'd call it good every single time.

If you a 4-man R why are you calling it good? Why are you looking at it?

[cougar729]

Because the R has the uprights and the Line Judge takes the cross bar in a 4 man

[Theisey]

Furthermore, an R in a 4-man game doesn't have the proper view to be able to call it good/no good if a curving kick appears to pass over the upright. So the chances of it being called good are if you will, pretty good.
Depth perception issues are going to prevent that, especially at night.

By the book, as asked in the original question the TRY or FG is no good and should be called as such if officials are positioned under the uprights.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Theisey

Furthermore, an R in a 4-man game doesn't have the proper view to be able to call it good/no good if a curving kick appears to pass over the upright. So the chances of it being called good are if you will, pretty good.
Depth perception issues are going to prevent that, especially at night.

By the book, as asked in the original question the TRY or FG is no good and should be called as such if officials are positioned under the uprights.

Agreed. But my original point wasn't to ignore the rules -- it was to point out that it's not an easy call even positioned under the uprights. The chance of the officials calling it good, even under the uprights, is greater than zero, I think.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA

If you a 4-man R why are you calling it good? Why are you looking at it?

By the book.

LJ positions at the depth of the crossbar and gives a thumbs up or down (LJ is well wide of the uprights\, not under), R calls the uprights, and (most importantly) the L watches for roughing the holder/kicker. U works his normal spot and watches for roughing the snapper.

[MJT]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

If I'm the R and working 4-man, I'd call it good every single time.

Agreed that if you are in that situation, you call it good if in doubt.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MJT

Agreed that if you are in that situation, you call it good if in doubt.

I haven't worked 4-man all season. We take 5 and split 4 checks for some FR/JV games and some schools will actually pay for 5.

This Thursday I'll work 4 for 2 games and probably have to WH both of them since my crew's backup can't work. I'll have to force myself to remember to watch the kick and not the holder/kicker.