Flag or no flag?

[Daryl H. Long]

Thanks to nitpickers:

1. A player was tackled 12 FEET into endzone not 12 yds.
2. My correction to the crew was that it was a Live ball unsporting foul not a dead ball foul. I was nitpicking a little because over ten games they continue to use incorrect terminology which grates on me. They got the administration part correct becaue all unsporting fouls are administered from the succeeding spot. Sadly, live ball unsporting fouls by the scoring team do not negate the score like other fouls would, but until the rule is changed to apply a distinction between live and dead ball fouls a team can continue to benefit from taunts DURING a down in which they score.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

Thanks to nitpickers:

1. A player was tackled 12 FEET into endzone not 12 yds.

Well, to me that changes EVERYTHING I said before.

4 yards into the endzone is different than 2 yards BEYOND the back of the EZ. In this case, with you being way out of position to make this call, I'd be A LOT more reluctant to insist on (or flag after the fact) a PF for that tackle. For one, distance and timing are hard to judge, and it may very well be that it was not as late a hit as you thought. In the OP, 2 yards behind the back of the EZ can much more easily be flagged from 30-50 yards away than your correction.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

Thanks to nitpickers:

1. A player was tackled 12 FEET into endzone not 12 yds.
2. My correction to the crew was that it was a Live ball unsporting foul not a dead ball foul. I was nitpicking a little because over ten games they continue to use incorrect terminology which grates on me. They got the administration part correct becaue all unsporting fouls are administered from the succeeding spot. Sadly, live ball unsporting fouls by the scoring team do not negate the score like other fouls would, but until the rule is changed to apply a distinction between live and dead ball fouls a team can continue to benefit from taunts DURING a down in which they score.

Daryl, I would have, as mentioned above somewhere, used the BJ flag for two fouls (late hit PF and, if you can't talk him out of it, the USC). This way, you wouldn't have to throw your flag really late but still get your foul flagged. I think you have an obligation to flag late hits, regardless of where you are on the field. I was a BJ for a few years and I always cleaned up plays and sometimes had the late hit flag from quite a few yards away. Sometimes the guys closest to the play miss the stuff that happens after the play because it is out of their field of vision.


BTW - Daryl was a great runner on my junior high track team many years ago. I won't say how many.

[jjrye22]

I'm just wondering what the proscribed mechanics are.

For 5 man crews we have the LM/LJ always having the spot. So for a long pass they need to release on the pass and start running. The U turns to check short passes, but is with the R for clean up.
Even if I don't release immediately, and even being not really in shape, I'm going to cover most the distance the runner did. After 65 yards (I believe it was right?) I might not make it to the goal or 5, but the 15 would be decent to at least see things.

With a 7 man crew we still have everything up to the 3 yards line. Snap inside the 8 we take the GL directly and the FJ/SJ have the end line.

Are you told to hold the line and watch behind the play? Seems strange to me, but some other mechanics things I have read also seem strange.

James

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jjrye22

I'm just wondering what the proscribed mechanics are.

For 5 man crews we have the LM/LJ always having the spot. So for a long pass they need to release on the pass and start running. The U turns to check short passes, but is with the R for clean up.
Even if I don't release immediately, and even being not really in shape, I'm going to cover most the distance the runner did. After 65 yards (I believe it was right?) I might not make it to the goal or 5, but the 15 would be decent to at least see things.

With a 7 man crew we still have everything up to the 3 yards line. Snap inside the 8 we take the GL directly and the FJ/SJ have the end line.

Are you told to hold the line and watch behind the play? Seems strange to me, but some other mechanics things I have read also seem strange.

James

For 5 man, the BJ is expected to get a deep spot. At least where I live....

[parepat]

Where was the linesman on this play. In your discussions later, did he say that he saw the late hit?

If you ask me this taunting thing is out of hand. We are expected to discern the motives for a player's acts. (ie-did he slow down due to fatigue or to taunt) Are there other fouls where we look to the "intent" ?