Video Play 2 - WR hold

[MJT]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

has got to focus on the ball carrier and the goal line. BJ could have made that call on the hold.

I notice the R & U didn't seem too involved at all. R trailed way behind after the pitch and the U hardly moved from his original position. I don't think U can make that call here unless he moves more to his right and looks.

Here is my opinion on what you said.
The R is doing about what he should. He could have come harder after he saw no possibility for a reverse, but has to be a little careful for that possibility.
The U cannot flow too much with the ball or he may miss blocks on the inside of the play which could be critical for a cut back by the runner.
The H or L should have been at the goal line waiting for the play by the time the block occured cuz the ball was snapped at the 6 and as soon as he saw the wide pitch he should have quickly moved to the goal line and waited there. No way should the ball carrier beat him to the goal line, which is does.
The BJ should have had the call, as the wide out is his key and he does not have goal line responsibilities on a ball snapped from the 6.

Since I know the BJ is the one who supplied the video, 1st of all-thank you. It is a great learning tool that I am going to send to my crew to watch, and 2ndly - don't beat yourself up. We have all missed a call that after watching on tape we know we should have seen. Thanks again!

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by MJT

A good H or L would also have that call. The reason they should have had the call is cuz the running back is not being threatened, so their focus should be on the blocks in front of the runner.

The best wing men will focus on blocks around the ballcarrier, watching the runner peripherally until he is threatened and then watch the runner for FM, fumbles, and so on. This is probably the most difficult thing to do as an official, but from some NFL guys I have talked to at clinics, one of the most important things to watch for as a wing.

Couldn't agree more.

This is the wing's call, in a 5, 4, or 3-person crew. If the BJ flags it as well, so be it. I'm looking around the unthreatened runner at that point as that wing. When the block is started, the ball carrier is barely at the 9 yard line, without a defender within 4-5 yards. It is a rookie-esque ball-watching mistake for a wing to be looking only at the ball carrier at that point (no offense to the wing involved intended).

[grantsrc]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Couldn't agree more.

This is the wing's call, in a 5, 4, or 3-person crew.

No, this wouldn't be the wing's call. The guy that held is the BJ's key. It is also his responsibility to be watching the action out in front of the play. The wing would be either watching the ball carrier or some might look downfield some but since this is at the GL, I would venture a guess that most wings would watch the ball carrier and action near him.

Other observations, the R's initial position seems too straight back from the center. Should he be at more of an angle? He should also flow harder and quicker behind the play. Also wouldn't hurt if he takes more of an angle to the ball.

As for the U, well, what can you say about him. First, he's really close to the line. I know they say 5-7 yards, but he looks right at 5 yards and that might be too close to really see his keys, G-C-G. He also needs to flow more and follow the play. Laterally he moves maybe three yards at the most. I know U's are notoriously the bigger, slower officials but there is nothing that says that's how it has to be. A blanket statement, just because you are a U doesn't mean you don't hustle.

As for the BJ (you), like everyone else said, thanks for posting. One thing I would suggest is when lining up, especially close to the endzone, start right in the middle of the field, at the pad of the upright. That way you can pivot either way to help, depending on where the pass is thrown. That's how I do it working BJ on Saturdays. Also, you favor the right side (bottom side) of the screen, when it looks like the left side (top side) is the strong side. I don't know about your area but NFHS manual states that you have the widest receiver on the strong side, which would be the blocker in question. Also, on a play like this, once you recognize that it is a run, you can slide over some from the middle of the field to help see those blocks out in front better. It's all about positioning and presence.

Thanks for posting these. Clips like this help everyone and we call can learn from these types of things.

[TerpZebra]

Originally Posted by MJT

Here is my opinion on what you said.
The R is doing about what he should. He could have come harder after he saw no possibility for a reverse, but has to be a little careful for that possibility.
The U cannot flow too much with the ball or he may miss blocks on the inside of the play which could be critical for a cut back by the runner.
The H or L should have been at the goal line waiting for the play by the time the block occured cuz the ball was snapped at the 6 and as soon as he saw the wide pitch he should have quickly moved to the goal line and waited there. No way should the ball carrier beat him to the goal line, which is does.
The BJ should have had the call, as the wide out is his key and he does not have goal line responsibilities on a ball snapped from the 6.

Since I know the BJ is the one who supplied the video, 1st of all-thank you. It is a great learning tool that I am going to send to my crew to watch, and 2ndly - don't beat yourself up. We have all missed a call that after watching on tape we know we should have seen. Thanks again!

Oh I wasn't beating myself up. In fact, that game was a kick-off classic preseason game, which really means nothing

[MJT]

Originally Posted by grantsrc

No, this wouldn't be the wing's call. The guy that held is the BJ's key. It is also his responsibility to be watching the action out in front of the play. The wing would be either watching the ball carrier or some might look downfield some but since this is at the GL, I would venture a guess that most wings would watch the ball carrier and action near him.

Other observations, the R's initial position seems too straight back from the center. Should he be at more of an angle? He should also flow harder and quicker behind the play. Also wouldn't hurt if he takes more of an angle to the ball.

As for the U, well, what can you say about him. First, he's really close to the line. I know they say 5-7 yards, but he looks right at 5 yards and that might be too close to really see his keys, G-C-G. He also needs to flow more and follow the play. Laterally he moves maybe three yards at the most. I know U's are notoriously the bigger, slower officials but there is nothing that says that's how it has to be. A blanket statement, just because you are a U doesn't mean you don't hustle.

As for the BJ (you), like everyone else said, thanks for posting. One thing I would suggest is when lining up, especially close to the endzone, start right in the middle of the field, at the pad of the upright. That way you can pivot either way to help, depending on where the pass is thrown. That's how I do it working BJ on Saturdays. Also, you favor the right side (bottom side) of the screen, when it looks like the left side (top side) is the strong side. I don't know about your area but NFHS manual states that you have the widest receiver on the strong side, which would be the blocker in question. Also, on a play like this, once you recognize that it is a run, you can slide over some from the middle of the field to help see those blocks out in front better. It's all about positioning and presence.

Thanks for posting these. Clips like this help everyone and we call can learn from these types of things.

Grant, I agree it is not the L's call, cuz it is the BJ's key, but a good wing will have that call cuz the runner was not threatened, so know need to be stairing at him, and the goal line is still 5 yards away.

I agree with your assessment of the R. I just evaluated his movement and mentioned watching for a reverse.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by MJT

Grant, I agree it is not the L's call, cuz it is the BJ's key, but a good wing will have that call cuz the runner was not threatened, so know need to be stairing at him, and the goal line is still 5 yards away.

I agree with your assessment of the R. I just evaluated his movement and mentioned watching for a reverse.

Agreed. Huge hold. We use either 4 or 6 in Canada. 5 is rare. If a 4-man crew, the side guy gets that one, possibly a good U or R, depending on where the ball carrier is and who's around the ball carrier. In 6-man, the deep guy should grab it, or the side guy. With the extra help, the R and U don't need to expand their area.