1st Down Mark Question

[irefky]

still dead ball foul, would be 3rd on the 18 yard line.

Just another footnote, I was emotional for the kid who had lost his father earlier in the week. I can remember back when my father passed away, he was buried on my 18th birthday. I had been contacted by a university for a scholarship to play football, was waiting to tell my family on my birthday, my father never ever knew. I love you dad.

I wish this kid the best, never knew of him until tonight, now I am his biggest fan. I just cannot pronounce his name.

[JohnAlt]

Originally Posted by irefky

still dead ball foul, would be 3rd on the 18 yard line.

3rd and what? If 3rd and goal, how is this different than the actual example where they moved the chains back? Does that only happen after a dead ball foul following a 1st down?

[Texas Aggie]

I'm having trouble with the NCAA 1st and ten. The enforcement spot for a dead ball foul is the succeeding spot (10-2-2-a). The suceeding spot is where the ball is next to be put into play (def). The suceeding spot is first and ten, so why isn't it first and 25?

I can't find any rules support for the idea that the RFP has any bearing on this (NCAA). None of the ARs speak directly to this, as far as I can tell.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I'm having trouble with the NCAA 1st and ten. The enforcement spot for a dead ball foul is the succeeding spot (10-2-2-a). The suceeding spot is where the ball is next to be put into play (def). The suceeding spot is first and ten, so why isn't it first and 25?

I can't find any rules support for the idea that the RFP has any bearing on this (NCAA). None of the ARs speak directly to this, as far as I can tell.

Check out 5-2-7. Foul between series.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

Check out 5-2-7. Foul between series.

What would the rule reference be in the NFHS manual?

[JohnAlt]

Thanks guys. Now I get it.

[Texas Aggie]

>>Check out 5-2-7<<

OK, that works. I guess we missed one the other day!

But why isn't this rule in rule 10 instead of 5 as it deals with dead ball fouls?

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by JohnAlt

3rd and what? If 3rd and goal, how is this different than the actual example where they moved the chains back? Does that only happen after a dead ball foul following a 1st down?

Any time a team gains a 1st. down they are awarded a new series. A series will start as 1st and 10. The penalty is marked off and it remains 1st and 10. In your 3rd and goal situation, that series began with the line to gain being the goalline. If a dead ball foul occurs against the offense the penalty is marked off and the line to gain will still be the goalline because a new series wasn't awarded to the offense. Suppose there were multiple dead ball fouls against the offense and it takes the ball back to the 30 and now a personal foul is called against the defense for a late hit at the 30. That penalty is then marked off and team A will be awarded a new series and now it will be 1st and 10 from the 15.

[irefky]

Originally Posted by JohnAlt

3rd and what? If 3rd and goal, how is this different than the actual example where they moved the chains back? Does that only happen after a dead ball foul following a 1st down?

3rd and goal

It's different because they had the ball already was 2nd and goal from the 3, no first down was going to be made to move the chains. If you made the line to gain on this example, you have a score.

So, the dead ball penalty, 15 yards is tacked on from the 3, and now be 3rd down.