Forces of Kick

[Grey Hare]

Let me throw out there a "what if".

What if, in the original scenario where K was on their own 20 yd line, B blocked the punt, the ball came to rest on say the 10 yd line this time. This time B applies a new force to the ball and now it is rolling near the goal line where a K member intentionally or non-intentionally muffs the ball into or through the EZ. Is B still "responsible" for the force into the EZ since the ball was still rolling? What if, in the officials judgement, the ball would not have made it to the EZ without "help" from K?

What have we got then?

GH

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by Grey Hare

Let me throw out there a "what if".

What if, in the original scenario where K was on their own 20 yd line, B blocked the punt, the ball came to rest on say the 10 yd line this time. This time B applies a new force to the ball and now it is rolling near the goal line where a K member intentionally or non-intentionally muffs the ball into or through the EZ. Is B still "responsible" for the force into the EZ since the ball was still rolling? What if, in the officials judgement, the ball would not have made it to the EZ without "help" from K?

What have we got then?

GH

REPLY: For Federation: First thing to remember is that solely from the perspective of determining force, K's touching of a scrimmage kick behind the NZ is not ignored. Therefore, that touching might constitute a new force in your example. It's entirely up to the covering official to determine whether or not K's touching added a new force (which means that the force attributed to R's muff is expended), or whether R's muff is still the force. Simply a judgement call. For NCAA: Unless R's muff comes to rest, K's touching cannot be considered a new impetus.

[Niner]

A different force. A is running the ball but fumbles at the B's four yard line. The ball rolls into the EZ where B intentional bats it across the endline.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by Niner

A different force. A is running the ball but fumbles at the B's four yard line. The ball rolls into the EZ where B intentional bats it across the endline.

REPLY: For force, the only thing that matters is what caused the ball to cross from the field of play into the endzone. Anything that happens to the ball once it enters the end zone needs to be considered, but it will not change the force. In other words, B's bat is a foul that needs to be disposed of, but it is not a new force.

[Theisey]

Originally Posted by Niner

A different force. A is running the ball but fumbles at the B's four yard line. The ball rolls into the EZ where B intentional bats it across the endline.

The only force is the fumble by team-A.

The result of this play is a TB, but team since team-B fouled for illegally batting the ball, one would expect team-A to accept the penalty which would be 1/2 distance from the end of the run.
Place the ball on the B-2 yardline

(edited) Sheesh Bob.. you type fast than I