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Old Fri Nov 04, 2005, 10:50am
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Situation: Regional Final game. A leads 14-10. 4th quarter. 4/8 B ball at the B-15. Time: 00:15. B lines up in full house backfield. B12 (qb) bootlegs to the right and hits B89 (te) who is WIDE OPEN at the B-32. He turns up field and begins a mad dash to the GL, about 1-2 yards off the team A side line.

It is evident that no one is going to catch him as he is pulling away from the defense. At the A-28 yard line A65 (who was NOT on the field) steps on the field and trips him, in an effort to protect the win. B89 stumbles and falls at the A-20. Time has expired.


A) None of the officials saw A65 step on the field (as the wing and BJ were already down field and it happened behind them.) U, HL, & R missed him stepping on the field, (screened by the players.)


B) Wing official saw it happen and after the trip, B44 blasts hiim in the back and continues to drive him down to the ground throwing punches.


C)B's coach sees it happen aand is now 1/2 across the field running and screeming his head off at A.



This is a huge mess, so what would you do in each situation. What penalties and enforcements do you issue.
Would you enforce the unfair act (9-9-1 &/or 9-9-3 and award a score?

NOTE: I actualy talked to 2 HS players about this play happening.
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Old Fri Nov 04, 2005, 11:23am
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A) Screened by what players? Legal players on the field? I just can not see A happening, why are the BJ and LJ ahead of the play. U should be turning toward the pass as soon as it is thrown. BJ, LJ and U should all be looking at the play.

B) Awarded score, game over, no try permitted. A65 will be ejected as will B44. A65 is USC, B44 is dead ball personal foul, enforced after the awarded score. B44 will not be playing next week, but his team will.

C) Did we see it and was the foul called? Either way, get security and get the hell out of there, no showers tonight boys.
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Old Fri Nov 04, 2005, 11:59am
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Situation: Regional Final game. B leads 14-10. 4th quarter. 4/8 A's ball at the A-15. Time: 00:15. A lines up in full house backfield. A12 (qb) bootlegs to the right and hits A89 (te) who is WIDE OPEN at the A-32. He turns up field and begins a mad dash to the GL, about 1-2 yards off the team B's side line.

It is evident that no one is going to catch him as he is pulling away from the defense. At the B-28 yard line B65 (who was NOT on the field) steps on the field and trips him, in an effort to protect the win. A89 stumbles and falls at the B-20. Time has expired.


A) None of the officials saw B65 step on the field (as the wing and BJ were already down field and it happened behind them.) U, HL, & R missed him stepping on the field, (screened by the players.)


B) Wing official saw it happen and after the trip, A44 blasts him in the back and continues to drive him down to the ground throwing punches.


C)A's coach sees it happen aand is now 1/2 across the field running and screeming his head off at B.

NOTE: I reveresed your A's and B's to assist myself and others in making a ruling.

First, if any official saw this, flagged it, and reported it to me at R, I would invoke the unfair acts rule and award team A the score, no question! A now wins 16-14. A44 will be ejected for throwing punches and B65 will also be ejected and I will file the required report to my state association. I will get both coaches together, explain what we saw, and what our ruling is. I will then get off the field with my crew using the necessary police escort.



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Old Fri Nov 04, 2005, 12:16pm
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So what really happened???? a), b) or c)???

Or is this a made up play? Inquiring minds and all that.

Hopefully, it wasn't situation A), since the LJ is out of position if he is ahead of the play.
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Old Fri Nov 04, 2005, 12:20pm
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Situation: Regional Final game. A leads 14-10. 4th quarter. 4/8 B ball at the B-15. Time: 00:15. B lines up in full house backfield. B12 (qb) bootlegs to the right and hits B89 (te) who is WIDE OPEN at the B-32. He turns up field and begins a mad dash to the GL, about 1-2 yards off the team A side line.

It is evident that no one is going to catch him as he is pulling away from the defense. At the A-28 yard line A65 (who was NOT on the field) steps on the field and trips him, in an effort to protect the win. B89 stumbles and falls at the A-20. Time has expired.


A) None of the officials saw A65 step on the field (as the wing and BJ were already down field and it happened behind them.) U, HL, & R missed him stepping on the field, (screened by the players.)


B) Wing official saw it happen and after the trip, B44 blasts hiim in the back and continues to drive him down to the ground throwing punches.


C)B's coach sees it happen aand is now 1/2 across the field running and screeming his head off at A.



This is a huge mess, so what would you do in each situation. What penalties and enforcements do you issue.
Would you enforce the unfair act (9-9-1 &/or 9-9-3 and award a score?

NOTE: I actualy talked to 2 HS players about this play happening.
First, I'm sorry if I repeat with others have said (I must admit, right now I don't have time to read through all the other responses). I also will change around A and B, so A is the team with the ball and B has the lead.

In A, as already mentioned, I am a little confused by how all the officials missed this, but you can't call what you don't see, and if you truly miss the teammember coming out (or don't otherwise know he is "illegal"), I'm afraid you can't call anything.

In B and C, if its seen, award the TD for A (under rule 9-9). In B, eject A44 for punching/fighting, eject B65 for creating this mess (and write up the required reports for each!). In C, have security "guard" you from the coach and head to the dressing room, which hopefully you control entry into. Also, report the coach to the necessary 'authorites.'
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Old Fri Nov 04, 2005, 12:22pm
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As a line judge it brings a smile to my face to think I could actually be ahead of the runner on a 85 yard touchdown pass!
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Old Fri Nov 04, 2005, 12:54pm
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So what really happened???? a), b) or c)???

Or is this a made up play? Inquiring minds and all that.

Hopefully, it wasn't situation A), since the LJ is out of position if he is ahead of the play.
None happened. The senario was brought up to me and the options by the kids. Option A was the last option brought up. I told them it would not happen.
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Old Fri Nov 04, 2005, 01:30pm
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A play like this first occurred in 1918 with Navy playing against Great Lakes Naval Academy.

A Navy player came off the sidelines to tackle a breakway runner from Great Lakes stopping what would have been the tying score. Officals back then had no idea what to do.

It's happened at least once more since then but now there is rule in place to deal with it.

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