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After a down has ended, you have a dead ball personal foul of both A and B. Since these fouls do not offset, do you mark them both off in order of occurrence, even if the result brings the ball back to the original spot?
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You sure do. I don't have my "book with me so I cant give the rule referance but you've used almost the exact wording the Fed's use. Enforce them both in their order of occurrence. Even if you end up at the same yardage I believe it helps the sidelines to fully understand what and why these fouls were called.
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What is the thought process for them not offsetting?
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It gets bad when you're like on the 10. For example, 1st and 10 on B's 10. Say we had USC against B then A. Well you go half the distance to B's 5 and then 15 out, so you end up at B's 20. |
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The reason you mark off both penalties in NFHS is for a couple of reasons:
1) A's ball, 3rd and 8 from Bs 9 yard line. A throws an incomplete pass, and after the play you have a late hit on B. Reacting to the late hit by B, A1 slugs B5. These dead ball fouls will be enforced in order of occurrence. Since B's happened first, you mark off half the distance to the 4 and then mark off the 15 yards vs. A. So the ball would actually be moved back in the long run to the 19. 2) A's ball, 3rd and 1 from the B 45. Incomplete pass, then B5 slugs A1... followed by A4 slugging B7. You would mark off the USC on B first, which would put you past the first down line... giving A a first down. Then you would mark the 15 yard USC against A. So you would have 1st & 10 for A from the 45. Be prepared to hear lots of disagreement from B's sideline, but you have to mark off the dead ball fouls IN FULL, even awarding 1st downs. Or at least, that's the way it's been explained to me down in South Georgia. |
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Is the reason for administering both (in the order of occurance) because they want to deter retaliation fouls? We have a rule that when applying a foul that has restrictions (going half-the-distance), if the LTG or GL is reached, we award a 1D. Does this not happen in Fed? Quote:
The applications of the rule do not seem to be consistent.
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