Muff Confusion

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by ref18
K is flagged for No Yards at the point where K touches the ball.

The penalty of 15 yards is applied from that spot. [of illegal touching]

Why is K flagged for No Yards? Where does it say that K was offside? If K was onside, he's fair to it. Ok, I guess it's fair to conclude that because K's touching was inadvertant, he was offside. My point is not to assume. I think the rules differences between our codes prompt some sitchs to not reveal all the info that we need for a conclusive ruling.

Originally posted by ref18
If K hadn't have touched the ball first, but was in the restraining zone at the time the ball was touched by R we would've had a no yards call with a 0 yards distance penalty because of the bounceback. That flag is only thrown to ensure that possession is awarded to R.

I think you have assumed that this K player no longer participated. If that was the case, we do have a 0 yard NY application. However, if K does participate, there is still a 15 yard penalty applied.