Cowboys vs. Seahawks

[kdf5]

1. Was Keyshawn Johnson's catch a TD?

2. Did Dallas properly recover the onside kick?

[mcrowder]

1 - Yes. Only because the idiots in the replay booth did not review it. I don't think he caught that legitimately, and the official on site did not rule him pushed out (which he MAY have been). (And I'm a staunch Cowboy fan).

2 - Yes - not sure I've seen anything to indicate what you might be questioning on that one. What did you see that my bleary, barely awake, eyes did not see?

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by mcrowder
1 - Yes. Only because the idiots in the replay booth did not review it. I don't think he caught that legitimately, and the official on site did not rule him pushed out (which he MAY have been). (And I'm a staunch Cowboy fan).

2 - Yes - not sure I've seen anything to indicate what you might be questioning on that one. What did you see that my bleary, barely awake, eyes did not see?

I'm a cowboys fan too, so here's what I saw.


1. I agree, if they reviewed it, it would have been overuled, unless forceout was involved, which I am not totally sure it was.

2. The ball never touched the ground, atleast from what I saw on the replay, I did not get a great view of it. I don't know what the NFL rules are though, NFHS we would have KCI.

[MJT]

If they said it was a "force out" it cannot be reviewed. I wish it could be, but by rule, it cannot.

[Opie]

On Johnson's "touchdown." From what I saw, he caught the ball clean, one foot came down inbounds, then his elbow hit out of bounds, then second foot hit inbounds. (TV showed a freeze frame of his first foot down and elbow out of bounds.) Not an NFL rules guy, but I would think that if the elbow hits oob before the second foot, should be no touchdown.

Didn't see the onside kick.

[Jim S]

No comment on the first.
Yes, the on-side kick was good. Great kick into the ground with a perfect bounce for the kicking team. Bad execution on the part of the Seahawks to let a player through untouched.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by Jim S
No comment on the first.
Yes, the on-side kick was good. Great kick into the ground with a perfect bounce for the kicking team. Bad execution on the part of the Seahawks to let a player through untouched.

So the ball DID hit the ground? I didn't think it did but I wouldn't doubt you if you said it did.

[kdf5]

Tough to tell if the kick hit the ground but it appeared to me on the replay from the far sideline that it did. It seemed that when what's his name, the Dallas tight end came down with it he was beyond the free kick zone.

[JasonTX]

Looks like it was. They put 6 points up. Anyhow, from the replay he clearly got control of the ball while placing one foot on the ground and the other foot hit the lower leg of the defender and then the elbow hit OOB. Maybe hitting the leg of the defender was equal to hitting the ground.

The onside kick was a good play. The ball appeared to have hit the ground. Even if it hadn't no player called a fair catch and no player was impeded.

Originally posted by JasonTX
The onside kick was a good play. The ball appeared to have hit the ground. Even if it hadn't no player called a fair catch and no player was impeded.

JasonTX,

By NFHS rules a fair catch doesn't have been given or a player in the area. A free kick cannot be caught in the air (by K) or it is KCI... like Snake~eyes stated before...

[schmitty1973]

If you look at the play again, Keyshawn jumped straight up (in the EZ) but the defender pushed him out. It's pretty obvious to me that they made a good call.

[JasonTX]

Originally posted by tpaul

JasonTX,

By NFHS rules a fair catch doesn't have been given or a player in the area. A free kick cannot be caught in the air (by K) or it is KCI... like Snake~eyes stated before...

But the question was for NFL. Unlike NFHS, in NCAA a kicker can catch the kick. I assume NFL is the same as NCAA. In order to have KCI you have to impede the kick returner.

JasonTX,

I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just adding to it...